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Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by illuminate » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 2:59 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #89

"20 hours is a LONG time in Social media terms. It’s a long time in the news." This is the most pathetic justification for piracy I've ever heard. You couldn't wait twenty hours to watch it legally? Twenty hours? Many of which you'd probably be sleeping through anyway? That's not even a single day. You can't wait a single day? It's like listening to a kid justify tearing open his Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.…

"This is the most pathetic justification for piracy I've ever heard."

Convenience is a value inherent to any product.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by imgabe » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 3:03 PM UTC

wtvanhest wrote: post #54

imgabe wrote: post #26

I did too. I would happily pay a reasonable price for the show, but HBO doesn't offer an option to do that. I cancelled my cable subscription months ago because there's really only a few shows I want to watch and they're on HBO. Paying an extra $50 a month ($600 a year) to watch two shows is ridiculous. I like the way Downton Abbey was distributed on Amazon. It was, I think, $2 an episode with a small discount if you…

"I would happily pay a reasonable price for the show" The price they are charging is the bundled price. The fact that you do not get enough value from the bundled price means that you don't have to pay for it, but it also doesn't mean you can steal it. If you go to the store and someone is selling a 30 pack of toilet paper but you only need 5 rolls because you live alone, you can't simply take 5 rolls, and say, "the…

I'm not trying to say that I'm entitled to steal it. But I can and there is a small chance of any consequence, so, yeah, I'm going to.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by imgabe » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 3:06 PM UTC

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #19

[deleted] wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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EDIT: I don't know why parent deleted his post, but the message was that HBO doesn't run commercials. (Which is true, although it does run promotions for upcoming HBO programs in between programs.) Right, which also explains both why a HBO subscription costs so much and why they air so many reruns. However, not in all locales can one order HBO without also having a cable subscription.

I deleted after reading the article and realizing that it was talking about HBO in Europe, which apparently does run ads during the shows.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 4:38 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #93

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: I don't know why parent deleted his post, but the message was that HBO doesn't run commercials. (Which is true, although it does run promotions for upcoming HBO programs in between programs.) Right, which also explains both why a HBO subscription costs so much and why they air so many reruns. However, not in all locales can one order HBO without also having a cable subscription.

I deleted after reading the article and realizing that it was talking about HBO in Europe, which apparently does run ads during the shows.

Thanks for explaining. In The Netherlands HBO costs Euro 15 ($19) a month, it doesn’t run ads, and the fee includes HBO On-Demand and HBO GO.

I don't know about other European countries, but if HBO runs ads there, surely the service will be cheaper too?

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by Dylan16807 » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 4:59 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #89

"20 hours is a LONG time in Social media terms. It’s a long time in the news." This is the most pathetic justification for piracy I've ever heard. You couldn't wait twenty hours to watch it legally? Twenty hours? Many of which you'd probably be sleeping through anyway? That's not even a single day. You can't wait a single day? It's like listening to a kid justify tearing open his Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.…

As far as I'm concerned once he's already paid for it he doesn't need any justification whatsoever.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by johneth » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 5:24 PM UTC

mhaymo wrote: post #66

claudius wrote: post #2

If Sky doesn’t offer the service you expect, why do you keep paying for that insufficient service? They will hardly listen to someone saying ‘I don’t like the way you do things, but I’ll pay you anyways for not doing anything’ – on the other hand, were they only paid if they actually delivered the expected service, they at least might consider doing so. (Also the link is currently a little broken with duplicate http-…

How else can he support the creators of the show?

Buying the DVD / Blu-ray (albeit almost an entire year after the season finished)

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by claudius » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 5:25 PM UTC

mhaymo wrote: post #66

claudius wrote: post #2

If Sky doesn’t offer the service you expect, why do you keep paying for that insufficient service? They will hardly listen to someone saying ‘I don’t like the way you do things, but I’ll pay you anyways for not doing anything’ – on the other hand, were they only paid if they actually delivered the expected service, they at least might consider doing so. (Also the link is currently a little broken with duplicate http-…

How else can he support the creators of the show?

Not at all? Both they and his cable provider are to blame for this mess and they are delivering as little of the service he expects as his cable provider. I am rather positive that, given an ‘enthusiastic’ creator/producer, there would be ways for Sky to air the show at the same time as it airs in the US.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by claudius » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 5:34 PM UTC

citricsquid wrote: post #57

PeterisP wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares about % of piracy? The only value that matters is the absolute number of sales, not what the non-customers did or didn't do with that game. DRM hurts sales of many products. If one more extra customer pays for your movie because the DRM-free service is better, then it outweighs a billion of freeloaders.

The percentage of piracy demonstrates that there is a demand for the product but the consumers don't want to pay for it. World of Goo is the example I used because it's a "perfect" product under the check list provided in the article: great product (90/100) affordable ($20 for a game that takes >10 hours to complete) same price in all markets, unrestricted, same availability everywhere.

> $20 for a game that takes >10 hours to complete

I don’t know about you, but for €15, I could enjoy 10 hours of films in a cinema and back then™ when I was playing and buying games, I got a few months out of a single game (Pharaoh and Caesar III come to mind). 2$/h is definitely not a ‘fair price’ for a game I have to run on my own computer.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by claudius » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 5:50 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #89

"20 hours is a LONG time in Social media terms. It’s a long time in the news." This is the most pathetic justification for piracy I've ever heard. You couldn't wait twenty hours to watch it legally? Twenty hours? Many of which you'd probably be sleeping through anyway? That's not even a single day. You can't wait a single day? It's like listening to a kid justify tearing open his Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.…

> It's like listening to a kid justify tearing open his Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.

I always opened my presents on Christmas Eve :)

> if your job and the scheduling of your favorite TV show conflict, your job wins.

Exactly, and the TV series/cable provider has one happy customer fewer that could have been satisfied easily. Which was pretty much the point of his blog post.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Post by rplnt » Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 9:39 PM UTC

calinet6 wrote: post #87

crusso wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fair price Where "fair price" is an amount that's so low as to be effectively free or at most substantially lower than it costs content creators to produce it.

I think you're vastly underestimating the effect of a quality user experience. If they do it right, people will pay for it. People will want it to an irrational degree. But they probably won't do it right.

That wasn't my point exactly. What I meant by fair price was a price that would be somehow accommodated to a market. If someone makes $20 a day, you can't expect him to pay $40 for a game (or $5 for a 30min TV show). And sellers won't risk setting a lower price for certain market ...even if it meant bigger income in the end. It's a risky business since Internet is a global market by default.. whatever content providers try to do about it.