Forking and Dongle Jokes Don't Belong At Tech Conferences
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#92So, we've got the "Think of the children!" argument: I realized I had to do something or she would never have the chance to learn and love programming because the ass clowns behind me would make it impossible for her to do so. I'll entertain that argument, though I think it is a wee-bit overbearing on her part to assume what will and what won't scare off this youngster; I don't believe, for example, that simple clums…
Or just look at the domain name, the calculation, the self-aggrandizement and realize a perfectly played marketing ploy to drive traffic to her site and get her some future speaking engagements. I give her props for deft manipulation of the situation for maximum effect, it was rather brilliant... and from her perspective the worst thing is an unfunny guy got fired, not a bad days work.
Judging Adria Richards website, her mostly inactive Github profile, her Youtube channel filled with spammy "how to" videos. She seems more like someone engaged with trying to make money on the talk circuit and Youtube game rather than as a developer.
But yeah well done her getting the guy with 3 kids fired for the PG-level conversation she overheard.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
No worries, I added CloudFlare so the folks who were DDoS'ing my site will have to find a new hobby.
I wonder how many women are DDoS'ing you... You are destroying their image as normal, fun and smart colleagues. Now everyone is gonna "watch out" when they meet a woman, "keep their mouth shut" and many other things that alienate said woman. Guess she won't be getting invites to unofficial team-buildings, either. Good job.
no, only creepy nerds will have to.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder how many women are DDoS'ing you... You are destroying their image as normal, fun and smart colleagues. Now everyone is gonna "watch out" when they meet a woman, "keep their mouth shut" and many other things that alienate said woman. Guess she won't be getting invites to unofficial team-buildings, either. Good job.
> Now everyone is gonna "watch out" when they meet a woman, no, only creepy nerds will have to.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It almost feels like we are being denied access to sex-themed humour... Newsflash... we might not find forking or dongle jokes funny... does not mean that we do not enjoy jokes... it means we enjoy things that are actually funny....
Thing, sure they were crummy jokes. A reasonable response would be to not laugh .
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#96This whole thing was a massive failure on all sides. It was a social failure by the guys who kept on making annoying and unfunny jokes (I think it actually starts with this obnoxious "thank me! thank me!" stuff). It was a total benevolence failure on part of the author who seems exceedingly gleeful about her well-calculated coup. It's a failure of society in general to think that "sexualized" environments somehow att…
Two guys made possibly juvenile jokes to each other while sitting in the audience at a conference.
This was a minor failure of manners.
A woman reacted by taking a creepshot of them, publicly shaming them on Twitter, and getting them kicked out of the room without even trying to simply talk to them. Even though she had also been making sexual jokes while at PyCon: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 And like most cyber-bullies, she felt exhilarated by her power to dispose of people she finds annoying without even having to interact with them as human beings: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313442430848487424
This was a failure at displaying a stable, adult personality.
The company employing one of the guys fired him. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 A father of three is out of a job because a silly joke he was telling a friend was overheard by someone with more power than sense.
This is the real massive failure.
This is the moment where the "feminism in tech" advocacy movement jumped the shark. Not the women in tech themselves, mind you, who where there before this thing and will be there after it. But this campaign to make everything as comfortable as possible for a group of people who is assumed to need protection, as interpreted by some vocal elements whose representativity is anything but proven, has already led us to establish a ridiculous police state atmosphere where an engineer can be fired for making an off-color joke to a friend.
This is not making tech welcoming to women. This is making tech unwelcoming and hostile to all the geeks, men and women, who are uncomfortable with this corporate-style PC totalitarianism.
And at this point it's not just a looming dystopia. It's happening now! A geek lost their job for a joke, because their corporate masters were afraid of the backlash from a cyber-bully riding the right PR wave.
This is not the kind of industry I want to work in. Please, let's stop this insanity now.
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#97This whole thing was a massive failure on all sides. It was a social failure by the guys who kept on making annoying and unfunny jokes (I think it actually starts with this obnoxious "thank me! thank me!" stuff). It was a total benevolence failure on part of the author who seems exceedingly gleeful about her well-calculated coup. It's a failure of society in general to think that "sexualized" environments somehow att…
The failure was not equally massive on all sides, though. Two guys made possibly juvenile jokes to each other while sitting in the audience at a conference. This was a minor failure of manners. A woman reacted by taking a creepshot of them, publicly shaming them on Twitter, and getting them kicked out of the room without even trying to simply talk to them. Even though she had also been making sexual jokes while at Py…
A creepshot by definition is a sexualized photograph, this doesn't count.
> publicly shaming them on Twitter
Nothing wrong with this.
> and getting them kicked out of the room without even trying to simply talk to them
When a con attendee violates the rules and con staff wish to pull them aside, that is totally legit. And no, she was under no obligation to explain anything to them.
> This was a failure at displaying a stable, adult personality.
You are implying that the OP is unstable, which is a pretty gross thing to say and is offensive to folks with mental disability.
> The company employing one of the guys fired him. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 A father of three is out of a job because a silly joke he was telling a friend was overheard by someone with more power than sense.
The OP did not fire this individual nor escort them out of the room. Having con staff pull the person aside is an expected outcome, but being fired is completely outside of the OP's control and is, frankly, a huge overreaction from a company that would rather throw people aside than actually engage in meaningful sensitivity training for its employees.
> But this campaign to make everything as comfortable as possible for a group of people who is assumed to need protection...
Women in tech are not asking for others to protect them, but rather that policies be made and enforced that allow them to participate like any other attendee of the con. That con spaces are so unsafe in a variety of ways doesn't highlight the need for protection, but the need to provide basic rules of decency and to enforce them.
> ...as interpreted by some vocal elements whose representativity is anything but proven, has already led us to establish a ridiculous police state atmosphere where an engineer can be fired for making an off-color joke to a friend.
A conference is not a public gov't and they reserve the right to enforce policies attendees agree to when buying tickets or signing up. A police state this is not.
> This is not making tech welcoming to women. This is making tech unwelcoming and hostile to all the geeks, men and women, who are uncomfortable with this corporate-style PC totalitarianism.
Oddly enough the company that fired the gentleman in question fits more in line with your feelings of corporate-style totalitarianism. However, pulling con attendees aside who are making the space unsafe is to be expected and is a desired thing. Also, there isn't anything PC about not making penis jokes at a professional conference where your company is a sponsor.
> And at this point it's not just a looming dystopia. It's happening now! A geek lost their job for a joke, because their corporate masters were afraid of the backlash from a cyber-bully riding the right PR wave.
The problem you seem to have is with corporation and private business, not someone ensuring that the conference they are attending is a safe space.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problems with your comment are numerous. I'll list them off in order of sentence number: 1: Strawman; assumption of binary plus suggesting Adria's post is asking for an extreme solution ("100%"), rather than being aware of context and being sensitive to these issues. 2: False assumption that your female friends all don't care about your potentially sexist remarks. Chance is greater that if they do, they wouldn't…
> assumption of binary plus suggesting Adria's post is asking for an extreme solution ("100%") Well I'm not really sure what is less offensive than a dongle innuendo. > False assumption that your female friends all don't care about your potentially sexist remarks. Nope, they (including my mother, who was a feminist activist back in the 80s) have had my back in many arguments about similar sorts of things. > Adria is…
"Boys will be boys"
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
The failure was not equally massive on all sides, though. Two guys made possibly juvenile jokes to each other while sitting in the audience at a conference. This was a minor failure of manners. A woman reacted by taking a creepshot of them, publicly shaming them on Twitter, and getting them kicked out of the room without even trying to simply talk to them. Even though she had also been making sexual jokes while at Py…
> A woman reacted by taking a creepshot of them A creepshot by definition is a sexualized photograph, this doesn't count. > publicly shaming them on Twitter Nothing wrong with this. > and getting them kicked out of the room without even trying to simply talk to them When a con attendee violates the rules and con staff wish to pull them aside, that is totally legit. And no, she was under no obligation to explain anyth…
> A creepshot by definition is a sexualized photograph, this doesn't count.
I think your argument here is being overly dismissive. Sure in the most common usage of the term, it's not a creepshot. But I still think many would agree that it's creepy, as a matter of social custom, to take pictures of random people. It never bodes well for an argument when it's focused on the semantics of a single term.
> Nothing wrong with this.
You don't provide a justification for this. Just a matter-of-fact statement (which is very off-putting).
> And no, she was under no obligation to explain anything to them
I agree she was not under any obligation to explain anything to them. But again, I think this argument is overly technical. Might it have been a good idea to simply ask them to apologize, and then leave it at that? I don't think anyone should instantly jump for the nuclear option (of getting people kicked out).
> which is a pretty gross thing to say and is offensive to folks with mental disability.
I think you're getting downvoted here for throwing out what appears to be a red herring (quibbling over a minor detail and in general being overly focused on semantics).
> The OP did not fire this individual nor escort them out of the room
I agree with you here, but then again, keep this in mind: the Department of Justice did not intend for Aaron Swartz to kill himself. Yet that was the consequence of their actions. I apologize if anyone thinks this example is too extreme.
I also feel like it's a leap to say that it is actually the company that is being overly PC. It's more likely they fired him because of the negative media attention.
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#100I'm sorry, but I read this as a total overreaction on her behalf. And, there's a massive dose of hypocrisy here, especially given the following tweets that she sent, whilst at PyCon: @skwashd you should put something in your pants next time... like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint [1] How is this not a massive double standard? Is this not dripping with innuendo? Would it have been acceptabl…
The reason you can't get offended by any of these is that they're in no way offensive. Did you read the conversation around that first tweet? It in no way degrades anyone, with the possible exception of TSA agents. The one "about autism" is a comparison in which someone is compare to someone autistic because they're good at something. It seems to me that you've basically gone looking for stuff to beat her up with and…
socks=penis: funny
dongle=penis: ZOMG this is like LORD OF THE FLIES call the cops!