HipChat releases native app for Mac • Hacker News Board

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by pbiggar » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:08 PM UTC

__david__ wrote: post #81

pbiggar wrote: post #33

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If you're a scrappy startup, you better not have engineers wasting time setting up servers when there are great hosted products out there.

I hear what you're saying, but, come on! apt-get install ejabberd 5 minutes of conf file tweaking and you're done. Seriously that's it! I did this about 8 years ago and haven't touched my setup since. There's pretty much zero maintenance to do with an XMPP server.

What happens when ec2 shuts down the machine with jabber on it? When there's a memory spike in the middle of your vacation and no-one can send messages? Etc, etc, etc

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by drudru11 » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:11 PM UTC

Awesome - i have been using hipchat for years and haven't needed anything else. Most of my company is mac so this is a no brainer. Great work Hipchat team!

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by fcoury » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:14 PM UTC

First thing I noticed: no search? This was bad at the old version, where it would fallback to the Web UI, but not having it at all is even worst :(

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by jsimons » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:18 PM UTC

thejerz wrote: post #38

All I can surmise from this video is the that old HipChat must have really sucked. I have no idea what this product is or why I should care, because the video and webpage don't explain any of this. Maybe someone can explain what HipChat even is...??

This video does a better job of explaining the product (http://youtu.be/PXYWIBlvP9w)

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by powdahound » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:20 PM UTC

raylu wrote: post #89

lazerwalker wrote: post #61

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HipChat uses XMPP, so you can already use it with Adium/Pidgin without much trouble. The only things that are really missing by default are the syntactic sugar for @-mentioning people, HipChat's custom emoticons, and inlining of image/link previews (many of which you can fix with already-existing plugins).

And the fact that, unless you identify as "bot", you get disconnected for inactivity and reconnecting spams your logs with repeats of conversations. Oh, and the fake roster pushes, gibberish names for guest users, and the fact that you can only join a room with your full name.

You don't need to identify as "bot", just send a keepalive message (can be a single space, XMPP ping, whatever) every 60 seconds or so. You can also request no history when joining rooms (most bot frameworks do this). It's part of the XMPP spec as well. Our roster pushes are also as in the spec, or have you found an oddity we should correct?

Joining a room with your full name can be an unexpected requirement but it really aligns with the way we enforce names on our service.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by plg » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:52 PM UTC

pay a monthly fee for group chat; happens on someone else'e servers; for the love of all that is holy, this exists already doesn't it?? and for free??

It seems "web 3.0" is all about making tarted up existing free software with hipster interfaces, selling it for $$$, and putting it "on the cloud" (i.e. on someone else's machines).

I know this is the way the world seems to be moving (backwards, back to the 1970s if you ask me, to mainframes and dumb terminals (chrome book anyone?)) ...

but I for one would rather see a world where local users controlled their own machines, their own data, their own encryption, and a peer-to-peer system for communicating

maybe someone can invent a standard.

TCP/IP anyone?

-grumpy old man

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by plg » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 10:56 PM UTC

plg wrote: post #96

pay a monthly fee for group chat; happens on someone else'e servers; for the love of all that is holy, this exists already doesn't it?? and for free?? It seems "web 3.0" is all about making tarted up existing free software with hipster interfaces, selling it for $$$, and putting it "on the cloud" (i.e. on someone else's machines). I know this is the way the world seems to be moving (backwards, back to the 1970s if yo…

PS I wholly reject the argument that setting up your own systems and maintaining your own machines, and being responsible for your own data is "too technical" for the average person.

If we are intelligent enough to raise babies, drive cars, operate propane barbecues, SHOOT GUNS for f*ck's sake (in the USA anyway), then come on people, it's time to man up.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by Hates_ » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 11:06 PM UTC

plg wrote: post #96

pay a monthly fee for group chat; happens on someone else'e servers; for the love of all that is holy, this exists already doesn't it?? and for free?? It seems "web 3.0" is all about making tarted up existing free software with hipster interfaces, selling it for $$$, and putting it "on the cloud" (i.e. on someone else's machines). I know this is the way the world seems to be moving (backwards, back to the 1970s if yo…

And what about teams that aren't technical? Are you saying there still isn't a need for this type of software?

Besides, HipChat gives you a lot of nice features that you'd have to spend a lot of time trying to do yourself. Paying a small amount of money a month so that my whole team can chat far outweighs the pain of rolling my own solution and making sure everyone can use it.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by ajtaylor » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 11:14 PM UTC

adamauckland wrote: post #77

coreyw wrote: post #49

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Garret are there any plans to offer a self-hosted HipChat solution similar to how Jira and Confluence have self-hosted pricing? My company is limited to our chat products due to HIPAA compliance and we would love to use this product for company chat but host it on our own infrastructure.

Seconded. We can't use public services for internal messaging, but we do have JIRA + Stash inside the firewall. Hipchat server would be good, or is it XMPP compatible?

It's definitely XMPP compatible. We have an outside dev firm that does some work for us and they connected their own chat system via XMPP. It works fine for them as far as I can tell. Their help docs [1] [2] have all the details you need.

[1] http://help.hipchat.com/knowledgebase/articles/64377-xmpp-ja... [2] http://help.hipchat.com/knowledgebase/articles/64436-how-to-... (I love Adium!)

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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Post by omni » Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 11:24 PM UTC

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #75

jedberg wrote: post #62

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I used it for five minutes and found: There is no way to search for a person in the Lobby and you can't reorder the tabs. These are two things I do a lot.

Those aren't bugs.

The tab thing is a bug, but it's unclear from jedberg's wording. The actual problem is that you can reorder the tabs, but only once, after which reordering stops working.