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Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by lilsunnybee »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #75
sneak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/01/26/takeover/

That is a ridiculously black and white analysis, people doing evil don't set out with some vague malevolent goal to make the world a worse place for everyone else. Many times they view what they are doing as a good thing. I am very afraid indeed of people claiming to do things for my benefit. Evil is banal, it is every day, and more than likely it happens right in front of your eyes. People need to shed this comic bo…

Evil persons act selfishly, with seemingly no respect or consideration for the common good. That seems pretty clear cut to me.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by ScottBurson »

spligak wrote: post #32

Slightly off-topic. Years ago when I was working at a small ISP in Columbia, SC I had lunch with Austin Meyer. He came in to upload the latest release of X-Plane to his FTP servers. We went across the street to get some shrimp and grits. The man oozes genius. Over lunch he was rambling about some technique he discovered to render scenes at a much higher frame-rate. Something to do with culling and inlining a series o…

Heh - - I think you'll find that listening raptly to someone's ravings is a great way to leave them with the impression that you're very intelligent.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by throwaway2048 »

lilsunnybee wrote: post #91
throwaway2048 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a ridiculously black and white analysis, people doing evil don't set out with some vague malevolent goal to make the world a worse place for everyone else. Many times they view what they are doing as a good thing. I am very afraid indeed of people claiming to do things for my benefit. Evil is banal, it is every day, and more than likely it happens right in front of your eyes. People need to shed this comic bo…

Evil persons act selfishly, with seemingly no respect or consideration for the common good. That seems pretty clear cut to me.

not at all, an example of evil that counters that statement is the forced sterilization programs of the last century in many western countries. That was all about the common good.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by rooshdi »

mosselman wrote: post #81

There should be no copyrights, period. They are based on the idea of most people working in coalmines while 2 people are out there 'innovating' because they had rich parents and the fantasy in which we are all unique and all have unique ideas. Nowadays we can all be 'innovators'; or rather, we have enough wealth to be able to afford not spending all of our times slaving on our hands and knees and give our brains a li…

Yea, what the patent system essentially does is play musical chairs with information, but even worse.....the seat holders are incentivized to knock down all surrounding chairs.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by chris_wot »

dsl wrote: post #90
chris_wot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they missed obvious prior art. Thus shows the patent system is broken, nothing else.

If you have some specific evidence that the prior art did in fact apply please feel free to share it. Dismissing the due process of a patent holder simply because you disagree with it and claiming the whole system broken because you didn't see the outcome you had hoped for is childish.

I believe the GP might have found something.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by chris_wot »

monochromatic wrote: post #87
andrewfelix wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So having only glanced at the patent yourself, you felt confident enough to criticize me? Do you honestly feel like you're adding to the discussion?

My comment started a discussion about what the claims mean. It got the people away from vague, incorrect allegations about what "the patent" covers. I'd say that contributed.

No, no it didn't. I would say what contributed was a few of us asking for further clarification. I don't believe your above comment really contributed anything at all.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by giulivo »

Arelius wrote: post #88
mosselman wrote: post #81

There should be no copyrights, period. They are based on the idea of most people working in coalmines while 2 people are out there 'innovating' because they had rich parents and the fantasy in which we are all unique and all have unique ideas. Nowadays we can all be 'innovators'; or rather, we have enough wealth to be able to afford not spending all of our times slaving on our hands and knees and give our brains a li…

You say copyrights, but it seems very much that you mean patents. Could you clarify?

In another post, I'm also trying to compare the similarities of the two.

The problem I see is that they both, especially when used 'improperly', prevent people from innovate.

To me it looks like software improves also by recycling and improving existing concepts so, when it comes to software, patent owners eventually manage to raise some money, but that's all.

They cause much greater damage to the rest of us by stopping other people from reusing the concept.

The thing is that from my perspective, the same happens with most of the grants given to copyrights holders.

Again, when speaking about software, to give a copyright holder the right to be credited for the work is perfectly fine, but what about the right to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may perform the work, who may financially benefit from it?

How different is that from a patent?

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by [deleted] »

mosselman wrote: post #81

There should be no copyrights, period. They are based on the idea of most people working in coalmines while 2 people are out there 'innovating' because they had rich parents and the fantasy in which we are all unique and all have unique ideas. Nowadays we can all be 'innovators'; or rather, we have enough wealth to be able to afford not spending all of our times slaving on our hands and knees and give our brains a li…

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Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by Arelius »

giulivo wrote: post #97
Arelius wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say copyrights, but it seems very much that you mean patents. Could you clarify?

In another post, I'm also trying to compare the similarities of the two. The problem I see is that they both, especially when used 'improperly', prevent people from innovate. To me it looks like software improves also by recycling and improving existing concepts so, when it comes to software, patent owners eventually manage to raise some money, but that's all. They cause much greater damage to the rest of us by stopp…

I don't disagree, but I'm ok with taking this one step at a time, and I feel patents, being monopolies on general ideas, not specific realizations of such, are the more obviously worse of the two.

My main point is that some aspects of your argument, say:

> every idea you have was already had by someone else, or someone is having it right now

Hold much stronger specifically regarding patents. Because patents don't govern over unique instances of the same idea, but only specific realizations, and work on such an idea.

Re: Creator Of The X-Plane Flight Simulator Seeks Help Fighting A Patent Troll

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Post by Arelius »

giulivo wrote: post #97
Arelius wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say copyrights, but it seems very much that you mean patents. Could you clarify?

In another post, I'm also trying to compare the similarities of the two. The problem I see is that they both, especially when used 'improperly', prevent people from innovate. To me it looks like software improves also by recycling and improving existing concepts so, when it comes to software, patent owners eventually manage to raise some money, but that's all. They cause much greater damage to the rest of us by stopp…

Also, the problem with copyrights disappearing regarding software, is that it may not help innovation much. Without copyright we still don't get source, and things that were protected by copyright are just now protected by secrecy. I imagine a lot of proprietary software would just continue the push into software as a service, with large blocks of important code never leaving the walls of the data center.
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