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Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by hackmiester »

icebraining wrote: post #89
andor wrote: post #87

I think it's sad that the core apps include Facebook and Twitter, but not a real instant messaging client (as in "I can install my own server if necessary", "end to end encryption", etc.) Instead of more client implementations for the same commercial services, the free software world should work on bringing the state of the art to free (as in freedom) tools. No, this is not Richard Stallman speaking. I just want to k…

Facebook Chat is just their private server of an open protocol (XMPP). Unless the client specifically prevents you from doing so, you should be able to use your own server just like you can with e.g. Pidgin.

Well, I have some unfortunate news for you: to my knowledge, not one single Facebook Chat app allows this. There is no market. It is beyond wishful thinking to expect Ubuntu to turn this around.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by buu700 »

calinet6 wrote: post #34
untog wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever needed access to an editor, language, database backend, etc. when you happen to be without a laptop? Honestly? No. I can't imagine the agony of trying to type out a SQL query on my phone. I have a Macbook Air, which is light enough for me to carry around with me the vast majority of the time- it's great. If I wanted something smaller I would perhaps get a tablet with a keyboard (or a netbook, if they we…

If a keyboard is important to you, the Droid 4 actually has a great one. Using it with the Terminal android app is a breeze. However, the rest of the phone sucks, so I can't recommend it.

Honestly, I prefer my Droid 4 keyboard to the vast majority of laptop keyboards. I can't begin to describe how convenient it is to have an SSH client with a genuinely good keyboard right in my pocket at all times.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by oscargrouch »

untog wrote: post #32
cs702 wrote: post #12

As soon as Ubuntu Phone becomes stable enough for daily use, I will switch from Android to it. Coupled with a powerful processor and plenty of spare solid-state memory, Ubuntu Phone will allow me to walk around and travel with my entire desktop environment in my pocket -- including round-the-clock access to everything available in official and third-party Ubuntu repositories. (Have you ever needed access to an editor…

Have you ever needed access to an editor, language, database backend, etc. when you happen to be without a laptop? Honestly? No. I can't imagine the agony of trying to type out a SQL query on my phone. I have a Macbook Air, which is light enough for me to carry around with me the vast majority of the time- it's great. If I wanted something smaller I would perhaps get a tablet with a keyboard (or a netbook, if they we…

I think you are right, but just in the current context.. but the way this little mobiles beauties are just getting the same power as our pcs or notebooks.. its just use as a phone when on street, and in home or office.. just plug a keyboard, and a bigger screen.. and there it is.. a computer.. and now for the hardcore stuff :)

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

#94

Post by pekk »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #30
jacquesm wrote: post #8

I fear this is going to be very much a niche phone but I just might get one to support the project. Between Android, iOs, the remnants of blackberry and the Microsoft offering there will not be a whole lot of room for a new entrant that is not compatible with any of the above. A hackable phone that is not tied to one of the three largest 500 lbs+ gorillas sounds like a really neat thing to have. Here's to hoping batt…

>Between Android, iOs, the remnants of blackberry and the Microsoft offering there will not be a whole lot of room for a new entrant that is not compatible with any of the above It seems exceedingly likely that if more than a few dozen people use this, someone (if not Canonical itself) will produce an Android compatibility layer. What I wish Canonical would do is to do it right. The naive implementation is to take th…

Then Canonical has a second-rate Android platform, on which most people run apps that don't work so well, and they have zero control over the platform, so the vendors they are competing with can directly run them off the road.

If what you want is to run Android apps, stick with an Android phone.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by dllthomas »

calinet6 wrote: post #34
untog wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever needed access to an editor, language, database backend, etc. when you happen to be without a laptop? Honestly? No. I can't imagine the agony of trying to type out a SQL query on my phone. I have a Macbook Air, which is light enough for me to carry around with me the vast majority of the time- it's great. If I wanted something smaller I would perhaps get a tablet with a keyboard (or a netbook, if they we…

If a keyboard is important to you, the Droid 4 actually has a great one. Using it with the Terminal android app is a breeze. However, the rest of the phone sucks, so I can't recommend it.

Haven't tried the Droid 4, but the Droid 3 is fine, and the keyboard perfectly serviceable in a pinch.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by tree_of_item »

Nursie wrote: post #23
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, my point was that this will remain a niche phone.

Wait, so including features that don't immediately appeal to the average user necessarily means there will be nothing that appeals to the average user? Your logic is broken there somewhere.

I think it's pretty clear the OP's point was only in reference to the Terminal app, not Ubuntu in general. It's a valid point and doesn't really deserve the snark in your last sentence.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by rve »

buu700 wrote: post #92
calinet6 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a keyboard is important to you, the Droid 4 actually has a great one. Using it with the Terminal android app is a breeze. However, the rest of the phone sucks, so I can't recommend it.

Honestly, I prefer my Droid 4 keyboard to the vast majority of laptop keyboards. I can't begin to describe how convenient it is to have an SSH client with a genuinely good keyboard right in my pocket at all times.

just try galaxy note ii and u'll throw your Droid 4 away

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by drummer32 »

robomartin wrote: post #55

Just thinking out loud here. You know where a market for disruption exists? The millions of iOS devices that are now being relegated to the trash bin of tech. Very soon everything from iPhone 3GS and back will be obsolete. You will not be able to update apps or OS. I have a nice pile of iPod Touch units that I can't develop for and will not move past their last update (was it iOS 4.2-something?). You don't have to bu…

There is a project that tries to run Android on old iphones (iphone2G and iphone3G). I don't know just how functional it is but even if it was there's no way you could ran the latest version of android on that kind of (old) hardware).

And Microsoft would never, ever ever do something like that. I'm pretty sure they would face legal troubles if they did.

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

pekk wrote: post #94
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Between Android, iOs, the remnants of blackberry and the Microsoft offering there will not be a whole lot of room for a new entrant that is not compatible with any of the above It seems exceedingly likely that if more than a few dozen people use this, someone (if not Canonical itself) will produce an Android compatibility layer. What I wish Canonical would do is to do it right. The naive implementation is to take th…

Then Canonical has a second-rate Android platform, on which most people run apps that don't work so well, and they have zero control over the platform, so the vendors they are competing with can directly run them off the road. If what you want is to run Android apps, stick with an Android phone.

>Then Canonical has a second-rate Android platform, on which most people run apps that don't work so well, and they have zero control over the platform, so the vendors they are competing with can directly run them off the road.

Where do you get zero control? Android is licensed under GPL and Apache. The only way Google "controls" it at all is by funding its development. If Google goes in a direction Canonical doesn't like they can fork it at any time with the only cost that they have to fund all future development themselves, which is apparently what you want them to do from the start.

>If what you want is to run Android apps, stick with an Android phone.

What if I want to run Android apps and gnu apps at the same time?

Re: Ubuntu Phone will include a Terminal application

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Post by icebraining »

hackmiester wrote: post #91
icebraining wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook Chat is just their private server of an open protocol (XMPP). Unless the client specifically prevents you from doing so, you should be able to use your own server just like you can with e.g. Pidgin.

Well, I have some unfortunate news for you: to my knowledge, not one single Facebook Chat app allows this. There is no market. It is beyond wishful thinking to expect Ubuntu to turn this around.

Well, it depends on whether they're planning to build a Facebook Chat app, or a Chat app that supports Facebook (like the previously mentioned Pidgin). The document is just a use case map, not a proposal for any specific application.
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