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Re: Qwen 3.8 follows GPT-5.5 Pro reasoning prefills

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 9:13 AM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #71

wongarsu wrote: post #3

That writing style might be a tad too tense If I got it correct (appending B from https://stolen-thoughts.com/paper.pdf is essential) they are the authors of the well-known exploit to recover readable CoT from OpenAI and Anthropic models. They use that to find hints of distillation, by running a benchmark with a SotA model, recovering the CoT, then taking the first 1% of the CoT and running the open-source model as i…

Interesting how an agent mimics a human hesitating and trying to avoid doing work: > No. > This is major. > Given time, maybe best to respond explaining can't due to time? but instructions expect actual work. However complexity huge; but as coding agent, need to attempt > Maybe we can cheat ... But user may test and see still single CPU. The smarter AI will be, the better it will be at avoiding doing actual work. Als…

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Re: Qwen 3.8 follows GPT-5.5 Pro reasoning prefills

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 9:25 AM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #71

wongarsu wrote: post #3

That writing style might be a tad too tense If I got it correct (appending B from https://stolen-thoughts.com/paper.pdf is essential) they are the authors of the well-known exploit to recover readable CoT from OpenAI and Anthropic models. They use that to find hints of distillation, by running a benchmark with a SotA model, recovering the CoT, then taking the first 1% of the CoT and running the open-source model as i…

Interesting how an agent mimics a human hesitating and trying to avoid doing work: > No. > This is major. > Given time, maybe best to respond explaining can't due to time? but instructions expect actual work. However complexity huge; but as coding agent, need to attempt > Maybe we can cheat ... But user may test and see still single CPU. The smarter AI will be, the better it will be at avoiding doing actual work. Als…

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Re: Qwen 3.8 follows GPT-5.5 Pro reasoning prefills

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Post by dofm » Thu, Sep 10, 2026, 9:33 AM UTC

stymaar wrote: post #89

dofm wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t use the caveman speak unless reasoning is set to xhigh, in my experience. But I don’t know if it has always been coincidental.

> unless reasoning is set to xhigh That's the default and I'm sure almost everyone else is also using it because other reasoning efforts yield subpar results from what I've seen.

It is the default, which is insane.

I think it is clear that medium reasoning has more 'loopy' results like the older Qwens, but I actually think the low effort results are usually more appropriate.

If you plan to one-shot and vibe code AI slop to meet benchmarks, maybe xhigh makes sense. But if you want a responsive agentic coding assistant it is, to me, quite evidently the wrong choice, especially on modest hardware.

I have seen xhigh radically distract itself with rabbitholes and write considerably worse code than low.

It is my own opinion only, but I think much of the fuss about squeezing Qwen 3.8 27B into small local hardware setups, Macs etc., is a bit misguided.

There's too much focus on its benchmark scores, its one-shot capability, canned demos etc.

For my own needs Muse Glimmer (again on reasoning strength: low) is shaping up to being the more practical agentic tool. It is considerably faster than Qwen at solving real coding tasks.