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Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by jcranmer »

awesan wrote: post #50
bluGill wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of any other time something good has come out of a private equity roll-up. Just remember bad news sells. I'm reasonably sure there are a number of other cases where this happens, likely most. However they are not big news and not memorable so I can't cite them.

If it happens all the time and it's positive, you shouldn't need a news story to confirm it. People should just be able to think of examples. Certainly I'm able to think of plenty of terrible results from private equity take-overs from my own personal experience as an employee or as a customer.

Private equity gets a bad rap in large part because the stories they're most famous for are the "PE buys a failing company, and the company subsequently finally fails," with the "failing" word conspicuously absent in most retellings. I'm not sure I've heard one of those stories where the company failed after being acquired by PE where it wasn't already failing before the PE takeover...

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

apercu wrote: post #27

I used Audacity decades ago (2006-2010) but when I stopped buying PCs I always found there was noise on a Mac so I switched to logic. I always thought audacity was great, and still prefer its workflow to slow tools or logic. I haven’t ever tried Reaper however.

Most pro audio recorders come with a free desktop Steinberg Cubase license card.

On MacOS it is probably one of the better options for lossless workflows. =3

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by kuekacang »

vrighter wrote: post #72
kragen wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LADSPA sounds pretty critical; did they really ship with that missing?

the release date is decided before the work even starts. Whatever's done gets released, and marketing gets to claim a new major version. When it's still a work in progress. All software works like this nowadays (I'm sure it doesn't really.... but it sure looks that way). A lot of software I use have missing features in their latest major version

Should watch the pre release video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYM3TWf_G38 If what they're saying is true, this project is very much a pile of tech debt. They need to migrate whatever they can early before continuing work on the audio engine.

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by nosioptar »

shevy-java wrote: post #56

Wasn't audacity taken over by a company sniffing for user data, some years ago? I noted this down into a local .yml file back in 2021, when Muse Group took over and wanted to telemetry-sniff people. I didn't pay attention to audacity past that point. Also, many accounts on hackernews act very suspiciously, with just raw promo as it if comes from an advertising account. I am noticing this increasingly, where people co…

Anyone who's dealt with ultimate guitar will tell you they're bottom feeding scumbags. At least, 100% of the people I know who've dealt with UG feel that way.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if suspicious comments were bogus. Hell, I'd be shocked if UG wasn't doing something untoward.

They also fucked musescore as well. Evil pigfuckers.

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

awesan wrote: post #50
bluGill wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't think of any other time something good has come out of a private equity roll-up. Just remember bad news sells. I'm reasonably sure there are a number of other cases where this happens, likely most. However they are not big news and not memorable so I can't cite them.

If it happens all the time and it's positive, you shouldn't need a news story to confirm it. People should just be able to think of examples. Certainly I'm able to think of plenty of terrible results from private equity take-overs from my own personal experience as an employee or as a customer.

>If it happens all the time and it's positive, you shouldn't need a news story to confirm it. People should just be able to think of examples.

Most enshittification I am familiar with is because I read it in the news, therefore if non-shittification does happen it is likely I do not hear about it. I suppose the same holds true for other people.

If you were correct and people just had to hear about it then people wouldn't go around worrying about violent crime, because of always seeing on the news, despite it having fallen to historic lows. Instead people should be just walking around talking about how safe and non-violent the streets are nowadays.

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by MrDOS »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #85
cprecioso wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was using wxWidgets, not GTK directly IIRC

Most people that have never maintained >=Qt5 projects assume free wxWidgets native cross platform OS interface support is less hassle. Refactoring the application core means their team should have forked the project to audacity-qt rather than inject long term Qt library and license dependency issues into the original package. Qt on occasion has proven to cause problems with license term changes, GL library bugs on Li…

My understanding is that the Qt 6 build system is vastly easier to work with.

Also, Audacity is not the first major FOSS project to successfully migrate from wxWidgets to Qt: Dolphin, the GameCube/Wii emulator, made a similar migration several years ago[0][1][2][3].

[0]: https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2017/06/03/dolphin-progress-rep...

[1]: https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2018/02/03/dolphin-progress-rep...

[2]: https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2018/05/02/legend-dolphin-lens-...

[3]: https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2018/07/06/dolphin-progress-rep...

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by Ajedi32 »

skrebbel wrote: post #3
dbcooper wrote: post #2

Release video looking at the new UI (Qt6 based): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTQymidLYIM

I usually hate product announce videos but this one is so concise and fast and to the point, I'm very impressed. Also wow the new UI looks delicious!

Best thing is it's not just a new coat of paint; there seem to be some very significant usability improvements in here.

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by wilkystyle »

skrebbel wrote: post #3
dbcooper wrote: post #2

Release video looking at the new UI (Qt6 based): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTQymidLYIM

I usually hate product announce videos but this one is so concise and fast and to the point, I'm very impressed. Also wow the new UI looks delicious!

Delicious really is a great word! It looks gorgeous and so pleasant to use.

Re: Audacity 4.0

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #22
GaryBluto wrote: post #16

Very disappointed to see a program I remembered fondly for its native-feeling interface and functional, wholegrain feeling turned into whatever this is. It’s akin to a nutrient-rich home cooked meal being replaced with McDonald’s. I should’ve known it was doomed from the moment I saw an advertisement for their Discord chat room in the readme.

This doesn't feel like very constructive feedback. Have you actually tried 4.0 yet, or were you too put off by the Discord link to proceed? IMO Audacity has never been particularly native-feeling, and I don't buy the McDonalds analogy - this release is still lightweight. It'd be a fair comment if they'd e.g. move to Electron, but Qt 6 is hardly that.

wxWidgets uses the native OS interfaces. They have a valid point about Qt sometimes breaking things, and should be packaged as an audacity-qt6 fork.

Your perspective is also valid, in that it could be phrased a little kinder. =3

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