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I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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> Just in my toilet, I’m supposed to have an app for the seat, an app for the flush and one for the ventilation. Is this a joke? Are there really toilets that require a smartphone to flush?

This seems hard to believe, but the author already tooted about it (https://mamot.fr/@ploum/117016623130281141) so he may be serious

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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I've still never had a smartphone (technically my flip phone, a Kyocera Dura, is an android device, but it can't install apps so I'll consider it suitably "dumb") Occasionally I need to tote along a tablet because several places (some MLB venues, for one thing) will either require a smartphone, or impose a severe surcharge for the convenience of not using it. Anyway, I really regret that we didn't impose dumbphone pr…

I need it too for MFA, for instance one local university required it. On another university I can just use a yubikey. That is more convenient since it is small; the tablet is not so handy. I dislike the push towards forcing everyone to have a smartphone, or become a second class citizen in the country.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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post #24

> They are willing to accept all the conditions of your apps, including sending you personal data, registering an account, etc. I've had this exact problem this morning, I wanted to download the ASD-STE100 https://www.asd-ste100.org/STE_downloads.html#article02-2l and they use a request form to get the download. Unfortunately the last question: > Do you consent to us collecting your data? This form has the only purpo…

Don't you obviously consent if you're filling in data to a google form? Unless the form answers go nowhere then it's being collected.

Maybe, but I was using my gmail account anyway, so google already has that particular email info, but does that mean I'm obliged to share it with someone else ?

If there was a "No" response available, as the question suggests, it wouldn't be an issue. But it just annoyed me and felt like a dark practice.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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post #38

> 1. That person owns a smartphone (which is at least a couple hundred dollars). I live in South Africa, and even the poor townships are full of smartphones these days. My gardener has a fairly recent Samsung. They literally borrow money to buy these things. So if they can afford it, so can you. It's not that I don't get your point though - it could easily be seen as unnecessary spending when you have all kinds of ex…

It's not about the money, it's about time.

Requiring an app to do things often is more time consuming (and unpleasant) than doing it without the app. Other times, the app is so poorly written that it's not worth using.

Once the novelty of "the new toy" (smartphone) wears off, using a smartphone when it's not needed becomes a burden.

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For example, in the case of restaurants, I do not want to pull out my phone when I am having a conversation with people, therefore, I am greatly insulted when a restaurant requires a QR code to see a menu. I flat out ask for a menu, it's part of the joy of eating out.

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Edit: I can certainly understand the need to tell someone, "get with the program, get a smart phone." Back when they were getting popular in the US, a stranger asked me for directions on a busy street. I told her where to go, but she "clung" to me and wanted me to show her. This was when I point blank told her that it's time to get a smartphone.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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post #65
post #38

> 1. That person owns a smartphone (which is at least a couple hundred dollars). I live in South Africa, and even the poor townships are full of smartphones these days. My gardener has a fairly recent Samsung. They literally borrow money to buy these things. So if they can afford it, so can you. It's not that I don't get your point though - it could easily be seen as unnecessary spending when you have all kinds of ex…

I don't disagree with you main point but thought this was funny: > They literally borrow money to buy these things. So if they can afford it, Borrowing money would indicate they can't afford it. But I think you mean "afford the risk in order to achieve a societal norm".

Not achieve a societal norm but facilitate everyday tasks with the many, MANY things that are THAT much easier with a smartphone.

Now I get the author’s point, but there’s preferring to be off-grid (which I also tend to be), and there’s purposefully handicapping yourself then complaining about it later.

Look, if you run a blog, post your articles on places like HN and actually interact with the World Wide Web on a frequent basis you don’t get to preach about smartphones being evil devices that “society” imposes on you. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

This is like a biker complaining there’s too many cars on the street. A motorcycle is a smaller vehicle but it’s still very much part of that class of problem they’re so proudly rising against.

It’s theatre. Pure and simple theatre.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'd leave the restaurant if it has a QR menu?

Depending on what type of computer (if not smartphone) you have at hand, you can probably use a search engine to find the same menu. Or ask somebody at your table. Or ask the server. Or point at somebody else's food and say you want what they're having. Or eschew the menu entirely and ask to be surprised. Chef's choice can be fun. Or leave yeah, I think that's valid. TFA is predicated on the notion of pretty-much-lyi…

The idea is you shouldn't have to have any sort of computer on your person to participate in public life. If a proper eat-in restaurant can't maintain a paper menu then it's an indication of the level of service that's sure to follow.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#97
post #12

We could all be a bit more humble about the onerous “tools” we’ve built . I have a lot of sympathy for the elderly, and the ridiculous rituals they go through just to book an appointment, fill a subscription, buy tickets to a concert, order groceries. The McDonalds app is 15+ screens to order a burger. Compare that to walking in a, “hi, how are you, I’d like a Big Mac meal with a Coke, here’s my money, thanks”. Let’s…

Frustratingly, I haven't even had that in-store experience for a while now. You do the same app-based ordering process, but on a big tablet. If there's an issue with your order, it can take several minutes to get near enough to an employee to get their attention.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#98
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word "requirements" is doing a lot of work there. I've never met a QR code where scanning it was required of me.

So you'd leave the restaurant if it has a QR menu?

This happened in an airport restaurant. I asked the server to get me the cheeseburger with fries.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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I get the arguments against it but what i really want is people having some easy digital way to interface with the tech around them. Having a small on person computer be a client to things in your life seems like a really cool thing to aim for. It just sucks that corporate greed and a breakdown of trust between users and builders has lead to it being an annoyance rather than a peice of a scifi utopia

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

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post #14

Not having a smartphone is a new status symbol flex. The poorer you are, the more of your life you must waste looking at a screen instead of gazing upon beautiful landscapes and friendly faces. Still it’s a step up as usual. Next stage will be probably those too poor to afford anti aging vs the muti centenarians that can. And yet those that can’t afford multi centenarian lifestyle will live super well compared to tod…

> Not having a smartphone is a new status symbol flex.

It’s pretty much like those vegans people tend to make fun of: it’s performative. It’s humble-brag-fuelled activism that craves audience approval.

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