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Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by Yizahi » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:11 AM UTC

teekert wrote: post #76

lxgr wrote: post #73

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If you really think that crypto people invented podcast chapters and transcripts, you might want to do a reality check. These have been around in podcatchers for a long time, see e.g. [1] for chapter markers. Apple lagging behind on podcasting features/quasi-standards is also the norm, not the exception. [1] https://id3.org/id3v2-chapters-1.0

Crypto-people? As in that that other part of Homo Sapiens that is about to split off, or what? (Yes sarcasm) What are you even talking about? Please do some research before coming with such a response. Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here. I get some of it, and agree with much of it, but it always goes too far. Always leads to concl…

"Anything that is crypto-adjacent or sometimes even "not actively opposing" cryptocurrencies is heavily disapproved of here."

That couldn't be father from truth :) . Tokens are very much liked and often used by the HN crowd and by the IT workers in general. But there is a crucial nuance - most people using tokens, are using them for tax/customs avoidance. So in the topics where people are discussing how to pay for this or that and avoid taxation or or avoid sanctions etc. tokens would be shown in a positive light and those comments upvoted. What you've stumbled upon is the case of "selling" tokens to people for any other task, and that is widely ridiculed for a reason.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by siwatanejo » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:13 AM UTC

teekert wrote: post #87

siwatanejo wrote: post #83

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You seem to not have understood my previous message at all. You said I'm anti-crypto, then I linked you to a msg I wrote in the past advocating for L402 (which is a Lightning-based protocol). I was just telling you that you're wrong. I'm a big believer that Lightning is the only way to solve micropayments. Now get your conspiracy theories somewhere else please.

I indeed misunderstood, didn't realize that was you yourself you linked to. Sorry we are on the same boot it seems. Still, you're wrong about Nostr being useless without Lightning. And it is unhelpful to suggest it is.

You stand corrected, and I stand corrected too because I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w (as suggested by other user in another comment) and it finally clicked.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by exabyte » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:18 AM UTC

The discussion in this thread doesn't seem to be a level of quality I would expect from Hacker News. Many people attacking a protocol because they don't like how it's being used. It's sad, I was hoping to see something more constructive.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by Yizahi » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:19 AM UTC

lez wrote: post #66

maelito wrote: post #51

The homepage could be a description of ATProto. Except lots of people around me already use ATproto, and a successful European instance has just been launched, Eurosky, focusing on expanding the protocol with apps doing other things than micro-messages (Bluesky). Why should I care ? Honest question.

Because Eurosky can ban you.

Dang can ban you, or me, or anyone. Doesn't make HN a bad forum. On the contrary, HN's moderation quality is widely praised and appreciated. Now imagine if it was free for all anarcho-libertarian forum. Or as another example a mastodon, where decentralization is touted as a huge benefit, but in practice it is a collection of extremely strict centralized islands, where a ban can lead to one's identity account forever lost, but unlike on HN, there is no public accountability to the instance mods there.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by nairboon » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:22 AM UTC

> I want to claim that Nostr has discovered a new fundamental architecture for distributed protocols. Not federated, not P2P.

What exactly is the fundamentally new architecture in Nostr?

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by maelito » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:23 AM UTC

nunobrito wrote: post #89

maelito wrote: post #85

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> ATproto is defacto not decentralized OK so Nostr is for people that look for pure decentralisation ? This decentralisation so complicated that no general public person will ever connect ? Where owning lemonde.fr doesn't distinguish you from a user pretending to be the biggest national French newspaper ?

That would be NIP-05: https://nostrcompass.org/en/topics/nip-05/ Le Monde adds a text file at https://lemonde.fr/.well-known/nostr.json with the npubs (NOSTR public keys) of every person that they certify as trusted. So then you go around using "maelito@lemonde.fr" and anyone can find your public key on the official Le Monde site, verify that you are indeed someone associated to that domain.

Thanks !

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by Nursie » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:34 AM UTC

KetoManx64 wrote: post #22

monkeywork wrote: post #13

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From what I've gathered it's pro-censorship however since the user is entirely mobile and can change relays at will without friction that the power still remains with the user... the relay doesn't have much power in anything they can't keep their users from finding you, and they can't keep you from publishing elsewhere they can only choose to not accept your posts. When I setup my account I list 3-4 relays that will…

Which is the point of free speech, right? You should have the ability to say whatever you want, people just don't have to listen to you or be around you.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

"Also no you can't stand on my lawn or borrow my megaphone"

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by lost_1256 » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:50 AM UTC

nairboon wrote: post #95

> I want to claim that Nostr has discovered a new fundamental architecture for distributed protocols. Not federated, not P2P. What exactly is the fundamentally new architecture in Nostr?

he didn't finish the sentence on substack either, however I think it's a large connection with multiple servers via websocket

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by curtisblaine » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:54 AM UTC

ciefa wrote: post #53

Phahaha, Nostr and inclusive? Oh come on now.

Why is it not? I'm sincerely curious. It seems to include users that were excluded from other platforms, by virtue of making centralized censorship impossible, so I would argue it's more inclusive than anything else. Or do you mean its follow-based mechanism doesn't allow you to silence users you not only don't want to hear, but you don't want anyone to hear? This, again, makes it more inclusive to me, not less.

Re: Nostr is an inclusive communication commons

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Post by LoganDark » Tue, Aug 25, 2026, 10:55 AM UTC

exabyte wrote: post #48

FreeTrade wrote: post #34

I tried very hard to develop for Nostr with the idea it was an inclusive communication commons. Turns out it was a Lightning Network payments promotion project. All of its users (aside from its creator) were very much more interested in Lightning than in Nostr. Dismal experience, still bitter about the effort I wasted on it.

NOSTR is a protocol so there's no entity for you to be bitter with... You can be annoyed at the people who were on there, but that's a different subject. There's probably a better analogy than this, but what you're describing would be like playing soccer and being annoyed that your teammates are furries. Go find another team to play with.

But furries are more likely to be skilled at the game :)