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The Human Is the Loop

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Re: The Human Is the Loop

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> Prose? Don't care, I'm not writing literature, I'm delivering a message. If AI helps that be more clear and faster, great. Writing well is not easy. PG has written many essays about this very topic. LLMs do not write well. > Strategic thinking? The LLM has more context than you. Sure, you know more about your company, but AI knows more about the rest. This is a mistake, and untrue. The LLM has more general knowledg…

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> Well if Paul Graham says it, it must be true.

I didn’t say that. But when he’s right, he’s right.

> Think you could beat it in a specialized version of "business strategy jeopardy?"

> It would crush you. Thinking you know more about "business strategy" is laughable. What sort of guru are you? Let's see the great business strategy you've implemented.

This is no longer a productive conversation. I never said I would make a better consultant than an LLM. I said that consultants are useless without context, as are LLMs.

They are tools, not a panacea.

Have a lovely rest of your week.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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I find that it lets me do a surprising amount of work before the excitement and hyperfocus wear off. This is sometimes good, sometimes bad. Sometimes I'll get a neat little feature out while I feel inspired. This is great for doing something cool on a Sunday afternoon when priorities don't matter. Sometimes I'll start something bigger and get halfway there, then I realise it's not what I should be doing, and it becom…

> Success depends on focus and saying no to most things. AI makes it easy to say yes to everything. Instead of making my todo list shorter, it just makes me add more stuff to it. It allows me to act on impulses instead of thinking carefully.

Well said.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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I found myself so strongly endorsing almost every remark and impression in this post - are we the same person?? AI truly is dual-use: it can lead to immense speed ups on 'research rabbit-holes' that used to take a lot of manual work and Google-fu, or it could also just waste a ton of time generating too much output to make meaningful use out of (I almost always now invoke a text expansion snippet like "What's the 2-paragraph-block TLDR of the previous response?").

It's always looming in the mind of an overachiever-type person such as myself that 'AI could search and synthesize better', and so it has a very seductive siren song for almost all tasks.

The current moment with AI does very much feel like the early days of atomic energy where people had all kinds of now-crazy-seeming use-cases for the atom, and this showed up again with at-home microwaves, as seen in that "Microwave Cooking for One" book from the 1980s (see: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8m6AM5qtPMjgTkEeD/my-journey...).

I do think with new technologies it's important to try many different forms and applications of it before finding their true practical utility, and this is no different. Maybe we're collectively (at least within the HN crowd) finally feeling the "cool-down of the mania" and starting to shift to more realistic uses of AI (at least until there might be another big capabilities jump...)

But at the same time, I cannot deny that AI has also made me become a better person in other areas. I'd always had poor 'handiness' or 'around the house' type skills, and the number of things I've gotten comfortable doing because of AI assistance, like hanging art on the walls, taking on some basic at-home plumbing and fix-it tasks, trying new things in the kitchen with cooking and food prep and brewing coffee etc, is frankly much higher than pre-2022. And that's to say nothing of all the help it's provided getting more fit in the gym. Maybe my upbringing lacked these things that others never had an issue with, but I am grateful to this technology for helping 'level the playing field' in this regard. Just like I know how it's done the same for non-techie people who are now a little more well-versed in the matters that I'd been naturally more fluent in.

So, like most tech, we need to be mindful of our use, especially us HN-types that are drawn to information processing systems, optimization, efficiency, etc. It's really a double-edged sword, and I've never felt that more than lately. And this is doubly true for anyone with certain neurodiverse information habits (all the open tabs, 'research trails' with poor follow-up, etc). I often joke that I'll know we've reached AGI when my open browser tab count hovers below ~5!

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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One thing I have been doing to avoid the feeling of starting 100 projects and finishing none, is to work on one big ambitious project. That way I don't have a bunch of half finished projects staring at me, each accusing me of abandoning them and competing for my attention. There is always one big project that I return to and continue to invest in.

Even before AI this was the best way to sustain attention/effort imo

I agree, but I really started to feel it more with AI. Before AI there was a little more friction to starting projects. Now the friction from idea to MVP is near zero. So the temptation to take the easy path feels even stronger than it did before.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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Not too sure - I never read that many books - and it wasnt an issue at all. I think writing more, without AI, is helping me get back to my pre-AI-stink self.

Sure, but if you’re influenced by how AI writes, it stands to reason that you’d be influenced by a great author too, and that may help improve your writing.

I may be misreading, but I think the earlier post was about the LLM being used to edit (clean up) their writing.

It's quite different than just reading a lot of text from other authors and passively absorbing diction and style. Instead, it means getting detailed reinforcement signals in the context of your own active writing effort.

This can start an ironic reinforcement learning pattern where the writer gets tuned to write in the LLM's "corrected" form. Imagine a traditional professional writer, in a long-term partnership with a particular copy editor who gates their output.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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100% Anything worth doing, is worth doing yourself. LLMs create nothing of real value imo. And all my colleagues that whole heartily agree, just to go 'but i use it ...', are not much different from smokers & day traders that think they are the exception.

LLMs reduce delivery time, and if you’re not taking advantage of that, you’ll discover first hand why it’s important. Would you also say that any message worth sending is worth writing by hand and mailing via the postal service, instead of emailing? And if you tried to replace your work use of email (or Slack etc.) with handwritten letters, what do you think would happen? That’s essentially equivalent to the position…

I often make the analogy that LLMs are like Amazon same day shipping. You can have later today, but it's unlikely to be the best offering...just the best you can get later today.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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I used to be an AI sceptic, but with newer model being released I come closer to the mid: It's a great tool that amplifies human output, but without human judgement in the loop it's a danger to IT systems.

I don't think human should only judge AI design decisions described by LLMs in English. Understanding the codebase is important to be able to judge further development. So reading code, correcting code, articulating on it is still an important skill imo.

Re: The Human Is the Loop

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Great thoughts. I too came back from vacation this year to find that I wasn't nearly as interested in AI doing certain things for me (like writing) and much more interested in finding the areas it's properly good at.

At the moment I'm getting most value out of: - Checking integrity of data through custom scripting - Controlling my smart home stuff via quick commands - Reconciling account software with my bank and uploaded / emails receipts - Researching info across disparate sources - Managing pipelines of work (eg sales cycles or content schedules) reminding me when I need to do something - Parsing interesting articles / videos and pulling out the essentials - Reworking text I've written to work across multiple social accounts - Asking me great questions about whether I'm on track with what I said I wanted to do - Pinging me when an email looks important so I don't have to continually check it. - Coding on projects that I want to make rapid progress on for work (not tinkering)

This list is quite different to the one I'd have written a year ago - that would have mostly been about writing, information retrieval and coding.

The most obvious use cases are I think the least useful ones. Diffusion of AI will take time!

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