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FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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fc417fc802 wrote: post #89
theptip wrote: post #45

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The obvious concern would be China building high-res maps of every inch of US cities.

They already have that, and us maps of their country as well. Everyone has maps of everything at this point. If it's above ground then literally everyone that matters knows about it.

I don’t think that lidar maps are public knowledge. If they were why would Google be spending so much money creating their own?

This is not the same thing as taking a picture from a satellite.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by Danox »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #51
mmooss wrote: post #50

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> the Pentagon’s most secure electronics would be made by the Soviet Union under Kremlin supervision What electronics here are among the Pentagon's most secure? Why would the Pentagon have to buy LIDAR from a Chinese company? Will we ban every import of something the Pentagon might buy? > Imagine running an aerial LiDAR/SLAM over gov sites > a technology whose output can be an extremely detailed representation of the…

The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..

They had their chance they decided to serve the American military. They don’t look at the civilian market as being profitable at least to their way of thinking.

It will be interesting because the American drone companies are pretty much be an island of themselves. No one outside is going to bother buying them, particularly the part where this current government doesn’t like you and then tells you that they’re going to cut off your supply because you won’t do what they want. Would you buy under such terms?

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by Danox »

stefan_ wrote: post #31
CSMastermind wrote: post #11

We're quickly reaching the point where Lidar isn't needed, pure vision workflows are getting much better.

LiDAR in drones is not necessarily the "stereo vision" application you are thinking of, it can also be something as simple as a LiDAR altimeter.

Lidar can be many things, but isn’t the point to continue to iterate on LiDAR and make it better than what it is today?

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

tamimio wrote: post #80
edaemon wrote: post #54

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Palmer Luckey owns a drone company. He can't have an objective opinion on his competitors being banned.

That’s the crux part, all these local companies are fear mongering the public and gaslighting the dinosaurs in the gov so they can kill competitors and get rewarded millions dollars contracts. These “concerns” are laughable for anyone who knows a bit about drones, you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there.

you can build diy drones and strap an iPhone on it and you get outcome than any dji drone out there. Serious question, which drone makers would you say are superior over those that are fear mongering to get million dollar contracts ?

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

llm_nerd wrote: post #82
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #78

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Pedo. Rapist. Felon. Shitcoin. Rugpull. Insane. Insider Trading. Corrupt. Foolish … you have certainly changed my mind.

Awesome. Good to hear. Rare that someone in that weird cult, acting as the foundation for a garbage group of people to loot and destroy the country, sees the light.

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Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #87
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #48

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basically you are saying this is 100% corruption and self serving by the Donald Trump (loser) and his children (half witted ones) and that DJI or other foreign drone manifacturers for that matter are not a threat to US national security. Also that Palmer Lucky is a self serving tosser. Understood.

Other than the personal attacks you added ... yes? That is a reasonable summary of the situation. What point are you trying to make here?

What’s up? you seem rattled. Which part dont you understand ?

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by [deleted] »

Danox wrote: post #92
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #51

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The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..

They had their chance they decided to serve the American military. They don’t look at the civilian market as being profitable at least to their way of thinking. It will be interesting because the American drone companies are pretty much be an island of themselves. No one outside is going to bother buying them, particularly the part where this current government doesn’t like you and then tells you that they’re going t…

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Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by anigbrowl »

greenavocado wrote: post #73
snypher wrote: post #72

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>4k video is worthless compared to LiDAR. You should do some more research into structure-from-motion and get back to us. Lidar is nice for real-time data, but these days anyone can process a 4k stream and get excellent geometry data.

Compare the energy cost of computation for SfM compared to sparse point cloud match

This is pretty marginal compared to the energy cost of keeping the drone and its payload in the air; also the original objection was that the data might get used for training, which can be an offline process. For example, you could fly a drone with 4k cameras around while navigating manually, then subsequently compute an environmental model from the recorded footage.

If a hypothetical hostile and weaponized drone is later deployed with a pretrained navigational model, it might have 4k and/or LIDAR whose function would be to verify rather than figure out navigation; in a state of hostility we can assume the owners of the drone would be indifferent to local rules.

Re: FCC moves to ban Lidar-equipped foreign drones from US

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

mmooss wrote: post #64
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of such policies is not to act as air tight measures but as deterrent/obstacles .. its not instantaneous in effect or benfit .. but over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions ..

That doesn't seem to address the prior comment ? > over time it allows other players (inside of that country) to fill that void .. and develop their own home grown solutions .. By eliminating competition, it forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers, and to pay more to get less. What incentive do local manufacturers have to improve? Also, the US only has a fraction of world output; they can't replicate…

> forces Americans to subsidize second-rate manufacturers

I think Anduril Industries is not a second rate company (not that you said they are) ... they explicitly focuses on manufacturing cheaper, mass produced drones/weapons to disrupt the traditional defense industry .. and therefore helps gov spend less and gain more .. not that the US needs you or I to second their more than half a century experience in making advanced aerial war fighting machinery ..

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