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Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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It’s an equivalent app to make a comparison with, one from an OS company. But yeah, I still remember when a weather app would take 10 MB and I was complaining (1999)

10 MB is ridiculously overbloated. 1 MB or something in that vicinity should be more like it.

The KDE Plasma weather app takes in maximum 1MB.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Pictures and frame buffers. If you're running fullscreen at 4k, you're probably gonna take two roughly 3840x2160x3 byte frame buffers for the window. Your designers want a background image which moves as you scroll in some parallax style; that's over 3840x2160x3 bytes more for the pixel buffer backing the image layer. And let's say roughly 50% of your screen is text with subpixel (aka full color) anti aliasing; that…

>Your designers want Sometimes, you need to tell the designers NO. Moving background images don't help people figure out what the weather is going to be.

Honestly if the image is of the current weather it kinda does. I don't mind e.g Apple's weather app design at all

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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They had fewer graphics, and much lower resolution screens.

Windows 98 SE kind of went overboard with the graphics (remember Active Desktop?), and a common screen size at the time was 1280x1024. But if you run modern stuff at 1080p (60% more pixels) or 720p ( fewer pixels), you're not going to see comparable memory use.

> and a common screen size at the time was 1280x1024

Maybe if you were really rich and only used high end desktops. A lot of the computers I used back then were still 800x600, fancier ones were 1024x768. If you happened to also have a 2D accelerator card you'd potentially have 1280x1024. And lots of apps purposefully ran at a much lower color depth, it was common for games to run at 8 or 16 bit color mode.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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10 MB is ridiculously overbloated. 1 MB or something in that vicinity should be more like it.

The KDE Plasma weather app takes in maximum 1MB.

I'm not sure if you're reply hunting or we talk about different apps but how would you fit the Qt runtime, Javascript runtime, font cache, graphics, networking libraries, etc in this limit? This can't physically be under 70 MB, and more like 100-200+ MB.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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The visual assets alone will be tens of megabytes.

Do all visual aspects of a weather app need to be loaded at once? Is the cost penalty loading a hundred kilobytes per image from disk really unacceptable?

And then people complain about how unresponsive applications are, all these little stutters as things pop in.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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10 MB is ridiculously overbloated. 1 MB or something in that vicinity should be more like it.

How much money are these companies going to make by reducing their weather app to 1MB, or 10MB? How much is it going to cost them to get there? The world doesn't run on personal aesthetics, when nobody is willing to pay for them.

These days we have an AI system to do exactly this kind of optimization, too expensive for humans, and too cheap compared to consuming expensive modern hardware

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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> By comparison, Apple's native Weather app on macOS reportedly uses less than 250 MB of RAM That's also bloated, couldn't they find a better comparison to illustrate the egregious waste?

My entire kde "plasmashell" which includes my wallpaper and the various widgets installed (including a weather widget) uses 560MB for a screen with 5120x1440 pixels.

That's still 26x more than the size of the display buffer, I would never settle for such bloat /s

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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10 MB is ridiculously overbloated. 1 MB or something in that vicinity should be more like it.

10 MB is not too bad for a GUI app. If the app is full screen, display is FullHD and has 8 bit depth, that's almost 8 MB memory for the back buffer alone. Enable HDR and pixels become 8 bytes RGBA16_Float instead of 4 bytes BGRA8_Unorm, twice as much memory.

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