Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Everything you do is being recorded

theatlantic.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 401 posts

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#91

Post by esseph »

satvikpendem wrote: post #68
Razengan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh boy. It's NOT about whether something's "public" or not: It's about someone "connecting the dots" between ALL your public activities. Someone following you OUTSIDE their "space" that you visited and then invading your other spaces. People don't usually want to mix their social circles. e.g. nobody likes a snoopy overprotective parent following their [teen] kids around wherever the children go with their friends. N…

Someone would only be able to connect the dots based on what you publicly put out there. If you don't put anything out, there's nothing to connect the dots, unless you buy some sort of dark web leaked dataset. None of your analogies are comparable to online public information because you decide what to put out online, and I never said anything about legality so not sure why you bring that up.

> unless you buy some sort of dark web leaked dataset

Customers of such datasets: banks, insurance companies, HR companies, marketing firms, governments, etc.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#92

Post by faidit »

chucksmash wrote: post #62
cluckindan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not, but it could be using your browser as a part of a DDoS network. The admins have also been tampering with archived articles.

A DDoS against a blog that iirc was attempting to dox the archive.today maintainer. The bit about tampering with archived pages is news to me though. Wish the wiki discussion included receipts. Is "two users report they were redirected to tehrantimes.com" what is being referred to when they say archived pages are being tampered with?

It looks like the "tampering" was mostly just removing the username of the person submitting the links, so they wouldn't get banned by paywall sites, and archive.today has always done this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment...

And it looks like in some instances they changed their own alias to the name of the blogger they're in dispute with, in a fit of pique.

You have to scroll down to get hints because the conversation has been redacted, and the evidence is not provided with side-by-side comparisons.

I understand the ethical concerns about linking to the site but the blanket accusations of "tampering" seem a bit disingenuous, since no article content was ever changed afaik.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#93

Post by XorNot »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #5
zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

Almost every person installs security cameras hoping that one day they will "catch the criminal" unaware that the footage probably is used in all possible ways all the time, yet in case when the crime against them finally happens the footage might not be admitted as a proof.

No I install security cameras as a deterrent measure to keep people at my door front measured in their interactions, particularly when it may just be my wife at home alone.

They are mounted extremely obviously for this purpose.

I greatly hope they never catch anyone doing anything.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#94

Post by toofy »

we desperately need a separation of corporations and state the same way we have a separation of church and state.

we need a government that is antagonistic towards corporations that are abusing us.

it’s wild how much influence they have and how little pushback the government ever gives them when they clearly abuse us from every direction.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#95

Post by iamnothere »

satvikpendem wrote: post #68
Razengan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh boy. It's NOT about whether something's "public" or not: It's about someone "connecting the dots" between ALL your public activities. Someone following you OUTSIDE their "space" that you visited and then invading your other spaces. People don't usually want to mix their social circles. e.g. nobody likes a snoopy overprotective parent following their [teen] kids around wherever the children go with their friends. N…

Someone would only be able to connect the dots based on what you publicly put out there. If you don't put anything out, there's nothing to connect the dots, unless you buy some sort of dark web leaked dataset. None of your analogies are comparable to online public information because you decide what to put out online, and I never said anything about legality so not sure why you bring that up.

You don’t necessarily decide what to put online. Friends may upload photos of you, data brokers make your information available to “people search” websites, if you buy a house your information is available unless you put it in a blind trust, etc. If you go beyond the web to private services then you have companies like Flock and retailers who use facial recognition, who make their data available to subscribers and partners.

Disturbed people with access to this data can use it to harm people, like the Ebay exec who stalked a critic or the occasional police officer who stalks a romantic interest.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#97

Post by jagaerglad »

asmodeuslucifer wrote: post #13
zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

By leveraging mobile network infrastructure – towers, spectrum, antennas, and some hardware – ISAC can detect, locate, and track objects (including passive ones with no electronics). This will enable a wide range of use cases such as UAV airspace monitoring, autonomous vehicle safety, industrial automation, and immersive AR experiences. Commercial deployment is expected alongside 6G rollouts in the 2030 timeframe htt…

I wonder how precise this will be? A flying object sounds reasonable but could it actually track say individual people walking on a street further down the line?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#98

Post by snailmailman »

faidit wrote: post #92
chucksmash wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A DDoS against a blog that iirc was attempting to dox the archive.today maintainer. The bit about tampering with archived pages is news to me though. Wish the wiki discussion included receipts. Is "two users report they were redirected to tehrantimes.com" what is being referred to when they say archived pages are being tampered with?

It looks like the "tampering" was mostly just removing the username of the person submitting the links, so they wouldn't get banned by paywall sites, and archive.today has always done this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment... And it looks like in some instances they changed their own alias to the name of the blogger they're in dispute with, in a fit of pique. You have to scroll down to get…

In addition to that kind of “benign” tampering, there was also tampering other webpages to insert the name of the person who was doing the exposé on archive.is. Either to slander that person further (in addition to the DDOS archive.is was already attempting) or to dox the person.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#100

Post by XorNot »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #47
fragmede wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? There are 8 billion humans on those planet. You are 0.0000000125% of humanity. No one outside your family and friends even knows you, nevermind gives a shit about you, unless you stick out in some way. If GP wants to take a tour of my GitHub or my blog and send me a thoughtful email, I'd be delighted!

How about when that thoughtful email becomes a visit from law enforcement because your projects don’t align with the current administration’s views? When something you said offers support for anyone other than The Party’s chosen ethnic group?

"what if the government becomes a dictatorship" is a stupid question: you either stood up and opposed it, or you let it happen.

My privacy is important as a matter of consent.

But I should not have to hide my sexuality or identity, nor my politics and if my support of a marginalized group exists then what is the point of hiding it while they are oppressed? What benefit does that bring?

Encouraging people to be private in their views and anymore and anonymous in their "support" is exactly how fascists crush their opposition.

Post reply on HN