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Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

bezier-curve wrote: post #41
raincole wrote: post #23

That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

Maybe we could have privacy protections before assuming every adult in the US is a child until giving random companies our PII? That would be cool, but not holding my breath. Edit: of course, downvote the comment pointing to Americans having more civil rights. Expect nothing less from the HN techbro cesspool. And yes, this meta commentary infringes the guidelines, and the trust contract is broken at this point. This…

No PII is transmitted to the companies because of this law.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

__del__ wrote: post #36
isdononthephone wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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five minutes? it took me two minutes to come up with a threat: someone will serve an innocuous page to adults, and some malicious honeypot trickery to children, all based on an http header. "you've won five billion robux! click allow [to a webcam permission] to be able to receive them into your account!"

And then, if they're an identifiable company and the problem is widespread, they'll go to jail

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

stevenalowe wrote: post #15

illogical hubris - no state can regulate the internet; no state can compel developers to write code. the court cases on this will be interesting

It's like a product safety law. No state can compel you to put a pressure relief valve on your boilers. But they can stop you selling boilers without pressure relief valves. They can also prosecute you if your boiler explodes and kills people.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #53

The breathless fearmongering over an age field on account set up is just completely over-the-top. This is probably the least bad out of all possible ways to implement age checking. The benefit of this is that it can short-circuit support for more onerous age verification. The writing has been on the wall for some time now: the era of completely unrestricted internet is coming to an end. The question is how awful will…

This. I really don't get the upset. This is not an age verification law. In fact it makes age verification illegal so isn't that a good thing?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #74
CircuitSeuss wrote: post #60

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> This is probably the least bad out of all possible ways to implement age checking. Less bad is still bad. Normalizing a gated, state controlled internet is bad.

There's something to be said for realizing which way the winds are blowing and getting ahead of it. The fight against any and all age gating on the internet is already lost. The question is what will the system look like once it comes into being. This is something we have a lot of say over if we just stop being obstinate and start offering solutions. Sticking one's head in the sand will just result in a worse state o…

Note that we already support this exact thing when it's about cookies!

Site says: "do you want to enable tracking?" and HN says "why should every site ask me? Can't this be a header or something?"

Site says: "do you want to enable adult content?" and government says "why should every site ask you? Can't this be a header or something?" and HN says "OMG TOTALITARIANISM"

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

pmontra wrote: post #66

I wonder how vim will handle age brackets. Send all text to a LLM on the cloud in real time and refuse to show keystrokes with unsafe content? And censor unsafe text read from disk? /s

It just won't because it isn't relevant to vim.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

wincy wrote: post #6
seanhunter wrote: post #5

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I’m not looking forward to updating my array of 3D printer controllers with Raspbian in them and having them suddenly ask me for some sort of age attestation. Why would I be glad about this? My kids just aren’t allowed to use social media and have super locked down devices, so even the alleged advantage doesn’t help me.

You would just put in any random number if that happened because it would be irrelevant to your use of Raspbian as a 3D printer controller. It wouldn't affect anything at all.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by hackable_sand »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #51
hackable_sand wrote: post #49

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Remember. We should do absolutely everything in our power to not hold these companies responsible.

What does "hold these companies responsible" look like to you? I see a lot of empty rhetoric without things being spelled out. If you just want these companies to not exist, just say that.

Remember. Keep your standards in the basement. We'll dust them off when someone dies.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by Brybry »

defrost wrote: post #16
ronsor wrote: post #12

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I disagree. The parents are the ones who should be supervising. The work should not be pushed off to OSS devs or random website operators. Facebook is bad, but I'd rather deal with one Facebook than kill 1000 normal sites with bad legislation.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

You don't need to look at their internet history. You talk to your kids about safe behavior. Then you're somewhat around when they're using the computer/device (until you feel they're of an age where that's not needed). The very knowledge you might see their screen at any moment will moderate behavior.

And properly working parental controls don't let the kids install another browser without permission.

I bought my niece a Chromebook for a specific purpose (she needed a device to do vision therapy with). I installed FamilyLink on my phone.

In FamilyLink I went through each setting and put everything as restrictive as possible. She can't install apps. Only the vision therapy website is whitelisted. If she tries to go to a different website or install an app it gives her a prompt letting her ask an adult for permission.

You don't need to be a software engineer to do any of that, you just need some basic reading comprehension. Eventually when she's older I can make things more permissive.

Now that said: the FamilyLink software could be much better.

It seems to be mainly designed for kids on android phones, not chromeOS Chromebooks. None of the screen time monitoring features work. I can lock her Chromebook but I can't see how much time she spent on it or set time limits on apps. I can't put a time limit on the Chrome browser (or any default apps). And if there is a way (outside of adding the device to an organization like a school does w/ Google Admin/Workspace), the documentation is not great at saying so.

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