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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by miki123211 »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #9

I can't wait to never see a reasoning button ever again. Why do I have to reason about what reasoning level to use?

I have the opposite problem. I'm not well-calibrated on when I'd want lower reasoning than what's available to me (and how to compare that to lower-tier models). OpenAI now has Luna, Terra and Sol, each at Low, Medium, High and Xhigh, with Pro/Ultra depending on harness and plan. That's ~15 possible combinations of model and reasoning level, and there isn't a satisfactory explanation of which one you want for any particular task.

I feel that work is basically split into two tiers, hard (which requires a good model and lots of reasoning by definition) and relatively easy (which won't consume much of my limits despite a great model and reasoning, so I may just as well keep it on Sol High).

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#92

Post by thejazzman »

user43928 wrote: post #52
redox99 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I agree 1) Back then, even as a free user you'd be able to use the strongest model (even if with tight limits). Now, you need to pay to use Sol, and you need to pay to use Opus or Fable. It does seem fairly premium in that sense. Idk about 5.6 Luna, but the previous Instant was really bad, even for very casual users. It would hallucinate non stop. 2) When $100 and $200 per month plans launched, they were…

I also scoffed at the ChatGPT $200 Pro plan back then. Back when coding for me still meant copy-paste from the web version, it was only worth the $20/month for me. They only added the $100 Pro plan in April during GPT 5.4 times. Today I happily pay $400/month for Codex and Claude Code.

Don’t say the last part out loud or it will be $800.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#94

Post by mikeshi42 »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #88
stymaar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

I recently saw some discussion about the CPC for personal injury lawyers being ~$200 on Google ads. Seems insane to me, but I’m totally disconnected from the advertising world. That said, depending on the conversion rates between chats and clicks, the math could be favorable for OAI.

High CACs are supported by high LTVs, that is about the right ballpark for things like lawyers or even plumbers.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#95

Post by redox99 »

miki123211 wrote: post #91
ElijahLynn wrote: post #9

I can't wait to never see a reasoning button ever again. Why do I have to reason about what reasoning level to use?

I have the opposite problem. I'm not well-calibrated on when I'd want lower reasoning than what's available to me (and how to compare that to lower-tier models). OpenAI now has Luna, Terra and Sol, each at Low, Medium, High and Xhigh, with Pro/Ultra depending on harness and plan. That's ~15 possible combinations of model and reasoning level, and there isn't a satisfactory explanation of which one you want for any par…

Yeah, it's hard, there's so many permutations. But most are bad so it narrows it down.

Luna: Can be useful if price sensitive, always use with AT LEAST high effort. But codex plans are very generous, so just ignore it.

Terra: Forget it exists

Sol: Just use this. Medium can work for specific edits. Otherwise just use high or xhigh.

OpenAI basically agrees with this, and the slider gives you those options.

TL;DR: Just use sol medium/high/xhigh

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#96

Post by vanuatu »

stymaar wrote: post #77
vanuatu wrote: post #32

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intelligence is not omniscience though

Asking questions to clarify user intent is a very low bar for intelligence. A bar that all SOTA models fail consistently at though. (It's both funny and legit infuriating when Opus, after having made a dozen wild assumptions without checking with you, then comes back with a request for clarification on some mundane topic).

but you can keep asking questions ad infinitum

very nontrivial problem knowing when to stop and making assumptions

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#97

Post by drivebyhooting »

redox99 wrote: post #95
miki123211 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the opposite problem. I'm not well-calibrated on when I'd want lower reasoning than what's available to me (and how to compare that to lower-tier models). OpenAI now has Luna, Terra and Sol, each at Low, Medium, High and Xhigh, with Pro/Ultra depending on harness and plan. That's ~15 possible combinations of model and reasoning level, and there isn't a satisfactory explanation of which one you want for any par…

Yeah, it's hard, there's so many permutations. But most are bad so it narrows it down. Luna: Can be useful if price sensitive, always use with AT LEAST high effort. But codex plans are very generous, so just ignore it. Terra: Forget it exists Sol: Just use this. Medium can work for specific edits. Otherwise just use high or xhigh. OpenAI basically agrees with this, and the slider gives you those options. TL;DR: Just…

Why not pro/ultra?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by redox99 »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #97
redox99 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's hard, there's so many permutations. But most are bad so it narrows it down. Luna: Can be useful if price sensitive, always use with AT LEAST high effort. But codex plans are very generous, so just ignore it. Terra: Forget it exists Sol: Just use this. Medium can work for specific edits. Otherwise just use high or xhigh. OpenAI basically agrees with this, and the slider gives you those options. TL;DR: Just…

Why not pro/ultra?

Pro: It's web chat only, I haven't tried it so idk. I think it's useful for Math and that kind of stuff, but I only do programming.

Ultra: Might be useful, the one time I tried it, it was extremely wasteful in terms of tokens. Definitely not a daily driver.

There's also max effort, I think it can be useful but the gains compared to xhigh are quite small.

I think max and ultra are only worth it when the others fail.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by lukevp »

taytus wrote: post #72
ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

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Well your comment adds no value and is just offensive. Why don’t you argue a counterpoint?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by fragmede »

stymaar wrote: post #71
tokioyoyo wrote: post #69

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Ads.

Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

Except that Google is giving AI answers for ~every search now, so they're paying that cost for every search now as well.
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