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Re: Everyone is building LLM routers, we deprecated ours

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Well, first off, I don't need to test that stuff works, the labs need to do that! I can afford to wait a couple days to get an impression on how people like a model before I switch. I don't want to be a beta tester. But honestly, even if I went with your idea of picking a small number of models to eval, I wouldn't even know how to choose that subset other than.. what's hottest in the hype cycle? The benchmarks are us…

You are completely wrong and will never make a good product/service with that attitude. You need to test the models work for your use case. Knowing how much of type X data a model was trained on isn't going to help you one bit. Various phases of training can effectively wipe out the training from earlier steps if not done well. All that matters is does the model do what you want it to do. In practice almost everythin…

Mate, I have 20+ years of experience writing software, I'm not really worried. Frankly if I never used a model ever again I would still write software just fine. These things are conveniences to me, not load bearing.

Re: Everyone is building LLM routers, we deprecated ours

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> Just as a painter knows exactly what brush they need to use, and the craftsman carefully chooses their tools, engineers should understand trade-offs and subtleties of the different models. I'm really skeptical of this idea. Pragmatically: who has time to understand the nuances of these models when there's like a new one every week? Also without any view into the training, figuring out what each model is potentially…

Just don’t switch models every week and you’ll be fine. Especially in production.

I definitely wouldn't use a model for anything in production!

Re: Everyone is building LLM routers, we deprecated ours

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I spent a lot of time researching LLM routing last year and also came to the conclusion that it's generally not worth the effort. It's too hard to understand the difficulty of a query a priori. One specific challenge I was seeing is that difficulty depends a lot on what information is retrievable by the agent. Consider the question "what is the 5-state busy beaver number?" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver…

I think routing should be pushed 'down the stack' so to speak. What I mean is that most tasks can be recursively fragmented into smaller tasks, and once you've hit suitable leaf nodes -- where the task is very granular -- you can begin to deterministically show which models perform better or worse for that specific task. Then, when your agent is running a workflow, you may use various models for different steps in a…

this idea of smaller tasks is me simply asking "quick question, foo?" to my fable 5 on max effort, the model just does it, and even gives a more complex answer on misunderstanding or a actually hard question

Re: Everyone is building LLM routers, we deprecated ours

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You are completely wrong and will never make a good product/service with that attitude. You need to test the models work for your use case. Knowing how much of type X data a model was trained on isn't going to help you one bit. Various phases of training can effectively wipe out the training from earlier steps if not done well. All that matters is does the model do what you want it to do. In practice almost everythin…

Mate, I have 20+ years of experience writing software, I'm not really worried. Frankly if I never used a model ever again I would still write software just fine. These things are conveniences to me, not load bearing.

Yep, if you aren't really using models, then you don't have to evaluate them. If you want to build a product where the model is bearing load, which is probably 90% of new software built over the next 20 years, you'll have to evaluate the model yourself.
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