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The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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I think additional part of the problem is that men are starting to realize that they really don't have anything to gain by being married. And they are so afraid of having to go through a divorce that can wipe them out, that they don't feel like trying. I mean a 50% divorce rate in this country, is pretty much a coin toss on whether or not you lose everything. Seriously the only thing to gain by being married is savin…

I'm always surprised to see the extreme bitterness that comes out on these threads. >>Every single married guy I know is MISERABLE. The sex pretty much stops within the first couple of years. And the woman gains mega weight, because now that they "got" you, they don't need to keep in shape. And then the whole bitchy wife comes out treating the guy as a second class citizen. You do seem to know an awful lot of extreme…

You can probably write him off as a misogynistic idiot.

I'm about to get divorced from my wife (we have discussed it and it will definitely happen, but we want to figure out asset distribution, child care, etc before we file Collaborative Divorce): I mention this to offer perspective.

The sex never stopped -- we're splitting up and still had sex three times in the last 24 hours (guys never seem to figure out that most women want sex as much as they do and if she loses interest, it's almost certain that he is part of the reason). My wife is sometimes bitchy but is not at all materialistic. She can be a royal pain in the ass, has a lot of bad habits and can be excruciatingly annoying at times. BUT SO AM I!!! This is the part he's missing: from the woman's perspective, these guys are probably just as bad. So "she can divorce him and take half his stuff." Did he get that stuff while they were married, sharing expenses, etc? Is it possible that it's actually reasonable that she have a proportion of what they acquired together? No, of course not, it's "his stuff." Waah. I can't take all my toys and go home!

The reality is that it is extremely rare for a long term relationship to end completely due to the faults of one person.

It's a lot easier to blame your life on someone else than it is to look inward and see the flaws in yourself.

Now let the downmods begin :-)

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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I think additional part of the problem is that men are starting to realize that they really don't have anything to gain by being married. And they are so afraid of having to go through a divorce that can wipe them out, that they don't feel like trying. I mean a 50% divorce rate in this country, is pretty much a coin toss on whether or not you lose everything. Seriously the only thing to gain by being married is savin…

Your argument is laughable. Your first paragraph is entirely about you, that's patently obvious, so my question is why are you so fundamentally afraid of getting married and failing? You're on a site about start ups, hello more businesses than marriages fail and you can lose a lot more through bankruptcy than you can through alimony. Oh and guess what, there's prenups.

I'm married and I've never been happier. Since getting married I go out more, spend more time with friends and in fact have a lot more sex than I ever did before I met my wife. Do you even know if your married friends are actually miserable, or is that your assumption from the outside? Do you even know their spouse? Have you ever even spent time out with them when they're out with other married couples? You simply state they're miserable, with quite dramatic emphasis but not even a single piece of anecdotal evidence to back it up. Your comments are entirely clichéd and stereotyped.

Honestly, when I see a bitchy wife I also see a very spineless, ball-less husband. Also for the few wives that gain 'mega' weight, I also see far more husbands who are fat lazy pigs.

Oh and I am from Europe, if American males have problems with American females, they're going to be fucking dominated by European women. The divorce rate is lower in europe, only because it's socially unacceptable and in Italy your wife has the legal right to lie to police to protect an affair! I mean sure, marry a nice Italian girl, they're basically raised that if they're not getting it at home it's okay to get it somewhere else, so yeah don't worry you wont get divorced, but you certainly won't be the one having sex in that marriage either!

Please don't spout BS about Europe unless you actually know the cultures. Every European country has either a near 50% divorce rate, or you simply will not get divorced because your family and friends would cast you out. Losing 'everything' isn't the risk of losing 50% of your monetary value or income, losing everything is when you lose 50% of your money, your family, your friends and every person hence forth who you meet will judge you because you're divorced.

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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Good read. "What I long for in a marriage is that sense of having a partner in crime." I smiled as I read this because that's my exact choice of words when describing what I'm interested in.

hmm is it romantic or pragmatic if you think of your spouse as a good friend/cofounder you can split work with and help each other out? I'm beginning to see no point in love - only solid, mutually beneficial friendships.

I'm beginning to see no point in love - only solid, mutually beneficial friendships

Love takes that and raises it to the googol'th power. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I am getting divorced. My wife and I sometimes talk about the times when we were head over heels crazy about each other, but what we have now and are trying to maintain is perfectly described as "a solid, mutually beneficial friendship."

The difference is beyond night and day!

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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> I'm always surprised to see the extreme bitterness that comes out on these threads. My guess (although I don't know vaksel at all) is that he is reflecting somewhat on his parents marriage. I only say this because my parent's marriage was often so. While my mom has settled a bit with age, while I was growing up she used the threat of divorce as a weapon to settle arguments with my dad. She also tended to make stupi…

actually my parents have a great marriage, which is why I'm mainly focusing on the current generation of women

Then why do you have this bizarre perception that marriage is like a primordial evil?

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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You are right, that is terribly sad. I also find it very strange, though: unless I am missing something, the woman isn't going to be better off on her own (especially with children) than with the currently-unemployed husband, unless she somehow expects to marry another high-earner immediately (this seems very unlikely). How is it a better decision financially to get divorced in this situation than to stay together? D…

I'd guess that the reason is actually the opposite. The marriage wasn't doing that well to begin with, but there was a financial incentive not to rock the boat (the money). Once you lose that salary, the woman has less incentive to put up with a marriage she is unhappy with. If people will marry someone just for the money, I don't find it much of a stretch to assume they will stick together as long as the funds keep…

You also have to question the nature of the marriage to begin with. If he was doing a high-paid job when they got married, then I would likely say that she was a gold-digger to begin with. The marriage would end in divorce solely because he lost the reason why she married him in the first place.

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Bash away. I'm not saying I agree with the phrase's sentiment, it's just funny. Moo.

There's also no reason why the phrase "suburban-bred office cow" can't refer to a man. The word "bitch" is often used to describe an emasculated male, so this use of "cow" is not without precedent.

I'd agree with the precedent. I would classify a bullock (castrated male cow) as a cow not as a bull. Equally I'd classify a man with (figuratively speaking) no balls a 'bitch', or a 'ball-less wonder'.

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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actually my parents have a great marriage, which is why I'm mainly focusing on the current generation of women

Then why do you have this bizarre perception that marriage is like a primordial evil?

from seeing it suck the life out of almost every single married guy I know

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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I'd guess that the reason is actually the opposite. The marriage wasn't doing that well to begin with, but there was a financial incentive not to rock the boat (the money). Once you lose that salary, the woman has less incentive to put up with a marriage she is unhappy with. If people will marry someone just for the money, I don't find it much of a stretch to assume they will stick together as long as the funds keep…

You also have to question the nature of the marriage to begin with. If he was doing a high-paid job when they got married, then I would likely say that she was a gold-digger to begin with. The marriage would end in divorce solely because he lost the reason why she married him in the first place.

While that is certainly possible, I wouldn't argue it's required.

Consider a couple that is living together. They might be unhappy, but bearing it anyway because they have a lease and moving out and separating all your stuff is a pain in the ass. However, once that lease comes up for renewal, suddenly the burden of breaking up isn't so heavy, which might be just enough to make it happen.

What I was proposing for marriages->jobs is analogous.

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

#99
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I think additional part of the problem is that men are starting to realize that they really don't have anything to gain by being married. And they are so afraid of having to go through a divorce that can wipe them out, that they don't feel like trying. I mean a 50% divorce rate in this country, is pretty much a coin toss on whether or not you lose everything. Seriously the only thing to gain by being married is savin…

Europe is a big and diverse place. At least 10 European countries have higher divorce rates than the USA, and many others are about the same. The cultural mores regarding marriage are much different in Italy than they are in Sweden. Thus it doesn't seem like finding a "nice european girl" is going to statistically help you avoid divorce.

European countries with low divorce rates generally have conservative laws regarding divorce. Spain was one of these. It was financially and legally prohibitive to get a divorce in Spain until 2007. When Spain liberalized its divorce laws, it had the highest divorce rate in Europe almost overnight.

On a side note, the divorce rate in the USA is lower than it has been in 40 years.

Re: The Eligible Bachelor Paradox

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post #24

I think additional part of the problem is that men are starting to realize that they really don't have anything to gain by being married. And they are so afraid of having to go through a divorce that can wipe them out, that they don't feel like trying. I mean a 50% divorce rate in this country, is pretty much a coin toss on whether or not you lose everything. Seriously the only thing to gain by being married is savin…

> Marrying an American woman is pretty much the worst decision you can make. If you really want to get married, go find a nice European girl to marry, unlike American women, at least they know that marriage is not a one way street. I'm very interested in, comparatively speaking, the pros and cons of marrying an American man. If a society produces X kind of stereotypical woman, we may look for a Y kind of stereotypica…

From a European perspective I'll give a guess. I've known girls from France, Spain, Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland and IIRC Romania, and I'm from the UK. The general consensus is that the American Male are 'fat, ugly idiots'.

The only thing an American male has going for them in Europe is a foreign accent, currently being American is a con not a pro.

I've known many nice, intelligent and attractive Americans (both male and female) so I disagree with this point, but I'm sorry to say it's a common stereotype and not entirely inaccurate. It doesn't help that most tourists from America that I've met in Europe are very ignorant of everything.

I saw an American couple in a bistro in Paris getting the bitchiest treatment I've ever seen from a Parisian waiter, I've never even known them to be rude to a person before. I know where the stereotype is from though, they didn't know a single word of French and expected the waiter to know perfect English because they couldn't understand him speaking English. Well I get the same waiter, I try ordering in French and the man all but refuses to let me speak it and addresses me in English, reading me the specials and giving me better service than I ever had when I visited the USA.

Honestly, the French are magnificent waiters and polite to everyone if you show them respect. Even just saying bonjour and they'll be polite because you acknowledged the fact that you're sat in the heart of Paris and that they're French. The only rude person I met in 2 weeks was in a little cafe-restaurant on Boulevard Garibaldi, it was the Chef and I was trying to work out what he was saying because he wasn't even French so his accent was bizarre and after like 30 seconds the owner of the store came out back and started apologizing in perfect English.

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