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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by usef- »

otterley wrote: post #71
tptacek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title was the point of the post. I have acquaintances who are still sore at me about it. But the problem wasn't that people disagreed with me about LLMs; the problem was that we were locked in an unproductive and static equilibrium of people talking past each other and hedging their way out of any direct, empirical confrontation over what was happening. It's easy to forget how different early 2025 was to today. Y…

> The title was the point of the post. I still find it incredibly troubling. Not because the substance was wrong, but because a person of your caliber has stooped to the level of writing provocative headlines and language to attract attention. I strongly believe world-class technologists are supposed to be above that sort of thing. Leadership matters: not just thought leadership, but attitudinal leadership.

fwiw, I don't think it was deliberately provocative for the goal of "attracting attention", it seemed to be his genuine belief.

I remember feeling similarly after seeing so many people denying what had already changed.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#92

Post by tptacek »

otterley wrote: post #71
tptacek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title was the point of the post. I have acquaintances who are still sore at me about it. But the problem wasn't that people disagreed with me about LLMs; the problem was that we were locked in an unproductive and static equilibrium of people talking past each other and hedging their way out of any direct, empirical confrontation over what was happening. It's easy to forget how different early 2025 was to today. Y…

> The title was the point of the post. I still find it incredibly troubling. Not because the substance was wrong, but because a person of your caliber has stooped to the level of writing provocative headlines and language to attract attention. I strongly believe world-class technologists are supposed to be above that sort of thing. Leadership matters: not just thought leadership, but attitudinal leadership.

The funniest thing about this post is that I was writing it, in my head, to a specific group of developers I've worked with, and who I know to be smart and more talented than me. What I should have seen coming was that when I described a group of people as the smartest developers I know, everybody who read it would think it was about them.

Live and learn.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#93

Post by tptacek »

john_strinlai wrote: post #66
tptacek wrote: post #58

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I'm not being snarky. I genuinely do not care about AGI. It's weird to watch people write as if I'm trying to back away from that article or hedge or whatever. I expect to wrap my career up at some point and look at that post as one of the better and more valuable things I've ever written.

> I'm not being snarky " I would like to take this moment to apologize to you, personally, for not giving a shit about "AGI". " appears to be dripping with snark

Have I spoiled the solemnity of the subthread where we're litigating whether we "lost our aura" by writing a blog post?

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#94

Post by pseudalopex »

usef- wrote: post #91
otterley wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The title was the point of the post. I still find it incredibly troubling. Not because the substance was wrong, but because a person of your caliber has stooped to the level of writing provocative headlines and language to attract attention. I strongly believe world-class technologists are supposed to be above that sort of thing. Leadership matters: not just thought leadership, but attitudinal leadership.

fwiw, I don't think it was deliberately provocative for the goal of "attracting attention", it seemed to be his genuine belief. I remember feeling similarly after seeing so many people denying what had already changed.

He called it A heartfelt provocation.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

x0x0 wrote: post #81
its-summertime wrote: post #13

> Five of the most dangerous words in startups are “¿Por qué no los dos?”. So are the prior products going to be shut down? If not, then when? if not when, then why not?

This really sucks. I not only like fly a lot, I have two production apps; thousands in annual creds up for renewal soon; and some mildly embarrassing discussions about migrations to have.

What sucks? I strongly advise you not to axiomatically derive our product roadmap from HN comments trying to interpret that post.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

hahahaa wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #57

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Why are you so sure "DX" is the right way to compete with commodity full-stack hosting? Have you had Claude deploy on AWS recently? It one-shots deployments just fine.

DX ups its game. You got claude to deploy. Cool. I clicked a button in my PaaS and I have an oncall responder and incident manager ready to go.

I'm being serious, not trying to dunk, but can you get me to the place where DX has upped its game to the point where Claude can't just do it?

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#97

Post by john_strinlai »

tptacek wrote: post #93
john_strinlai wrote: post #66

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> I'm not being snarky " I would like to take this moment to apologize to you, personally, for not giving a shit about "AGI". " appears to be dripping with snark

Have I spoiled the solemnity of the subthread where we're litigating whether we "lost our aura" by writing a blog post?

no? its just weird to write an obviously snarky sentence and then follow up with "im not being snarky".

you have no problem owning the tone of the blog post, why not own the tone of your comment?

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#98

Post by tptacek »

ai_critic wrote: post #86
otterley wrote: post #71

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> The title was the point of the post. I still find it incredibly troubling. Not because the substance was wrong, but because a person of your caliber has stooped to the level of writing provocative headlines and language to attract attention. I strongly believe world-class technologists are supposed to be above that sort of thing. Leadership matters: not just thought leadership, but attitudinal leadership.

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It wasn't my starting point.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by simonw »

Barbing wrote: post #84
tptacek wrote: post #56

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Right, just go to the front page and click on the linked domain on this story, it'll take you to all the previous submissions from our blog. It's been a light summer on blog posts, to be sure! But that's nothing new.

Interesting, anyone know if there’s a way to replicate this on Algolia? https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=fly.io …/from?site=$domain

Try this:

https://hn.algolia.com/api/v1/search_by_date?query=fly.io&re...

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

#100

Post by ViscountPenguin »

simonw wrote: post #76
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #70

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It's not 2023, 2024, or 2025, but LLMs still suck at programming. Just like every other time AI enthusiasts have claimed the latest and greatest is so much better than what came before.

> LLMs still suck at programming They really don't. You're clearly the intended audience for https://fly.io/blog/youre-all-nuts/ !

All of the contents of the article are basically correct (minus the agi bit), but god the tone is insufferable. I doubt it's done anything but dig sceptics further in tbh.
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