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Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by mythrwy »

bix6 wrote: post #75
mythrwy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a big fan of synthetic chemicals in the food supply but I can't help wondering how Glyphosate has made forest fires worse?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forests to make them more flammable.

That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bix6 »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #90
bix6 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forest to make it more flammable. I don’t understand your coral comment. The coral expels the algae because the temp causes it to expel harmful toxins. There are other triggers besides heat.

But... basically any human activity changes forest composition. Only 30% of the forests are primeval, and those 30% are not in Europe. Forests are not "natural" for thousands of years. >There are other triggers besides heat. The amount of studies (or corals and algae) seems to be insufficient. I clearly remember the alarmist wave of the 2016, which turned out to be, well, not entirely unjustified, but clearly exagger…

Did you read the article?

Yes so maybe you should fund a coral study so that you can then know the truth that anyone who looks at this stuff knows.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bix6 »

mythrwy wrote: post #91
bix6 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forests to make them more flammable.

That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.

Alright boss, enjoy inhaling that glyphosate as the forests burn!

I guess ecologists aren’t scientists?

Wildland fire ecologist Bob Gray said leafy deciduous trees, like aspen, are more resilient to wildfires than softwood conifers like pine and spruce.

"Softwoods are highly resinous," he said.

"The foliage and bark is highly flammable. When you've got large contiguous areas of conifer forest, you can have large continuous forest fires."

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by mythrwy »

bix6 wrote: post #93
mythrwy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.

Alright boss, enjoy inhaling that glyphosate as the forests burn! I guess ecologists aren’t scientists? Wildland fire ecologist Bob Gray said leafy deciduous trees, like aspen, are more resilient to wildfires than softwood conifers like pine and spruce. "Softwoods are highly resinous," he said. "The foliage and bark is highly flammable. When you've got large contiguous areas of conifer forest, you can have large cont…

I'm not a fan of Glyphosate but it's just not used enough in forests to be a primary factor in wildfires. Additionally, in the article you link, they are really reaching and again, this is just their activist opinion (chemicals bad! ok) and I don't see any actual studies on the topic.

Doesn't pass basic sniff test.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bix6 »

mythrwy wrote: post #94
bix6 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright boss, enjoy inhaling that glyphosate as the forests burn! I guess ecologists aren’t scientists? Wildland fire ecologist Bob Gray said leafy deciduous trees, like aspen, are more resilient to wildfires than softwood conifers like pine and spruce. "Softwoods are highly resinous," he said. "The foliage and bark is highly flammable. When you've got large contiguous areas of conifer forest, you can have large cont…

I'm not a fan of Glyphosate but it's just not used enough in forests to be a primary factor in wildfires. Additionally, in the article you link, they are really reaching and again, this is just their activist opinion (chemicals bad! ok) and I don't see any actual studies on the topic. Doesn't pass basic sniff test.

I never said it was a primary but if you look at Canada they use it for logging and it has very clearly changed forest composition which is what these “activists” are pointing to.

Multiple ecologists agree on the difference in flame resistance between tree types.

I am saying glyphosate impacts fires and you are saying it doesn’t. The evidence shows that it does impact even if small. That is my point. When the scientific study that no one is going to fund comes out in 10 years showing this, it’ll be too late.

This passes a basic sniff test if you use your brain to think through the chain of events.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by consumer451 »

I am sorry to be negative, but after living in a commercial fishing area for a while: I wish we would stop discovering reefs, as that just invites horrible things like drag net fleets into these areas. [0]

We are strip-mining the oceans' remaining bounty.

When I lived in that commercial fishing area, I learned about bycatch. That is a top-tier euphemism for destroying the entire ocean ecosystem/protein-provider, where sometimes only 3% of caught biomass makes it to any table. [1]

Shrimp is by far the worst. Please stop eating shrimp. If you knew the truth, and respect efficiency, you would never eat wild shrimp again.

I went from thinking that seafood was a good thing, to now mostly eating chicken. We are such morons with how we treat the seas. BTW, I love spearfishing. If that is how I got my seafood, then not only fun, but no waste/bycatch.

[0] https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/

[1] https://www.fao.org/4/w6602e/w6602E09.htm

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by mythrwy »

bix6 wrote: post #95
mythrwy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of Glyphosate but it's just not used enough in forests to be a primary factor in wildfires. Additionally, in the article you link, they are really reaching and again, this is just their activist opinion (chemicals bad! ok) and I don't see any actual studies on the topic. Doesn't pass basic sniff test.

I never said it was a primary but if you look at Canada they use it for logging and it has very clearly changed forest composition which is what these “activists” are pointing to. Multiple ecologists agree on the difference in flame resistance between tree types. I am saying glyphosate impacts fires and you are saying it doesn’t. The evidence shows that it does impact even if small. That is my point. When the scienti…

"when the weapons of mass destruction are found it will be too late!"

The composition of the forests changes in managed stands yes. But these are not most stands. And if the hardwoods are removed mechanically or with herbicide the change occurs.

The real reason most out of control wildfires occur is because of too much fuel buildup. Poor management. Not letting smaller fires burn.

That Glyphosate is used on a small fraction of forested land to kill hardwoods doesn't mean "Glyposate is causing forest fires!"

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bamboozled »

parineum wrote: post #66
bamboozled wrote: post #47

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Homeostasis, that was probably an option for most of nature in the 1950s or something, I think the damage is too great to just leave the reefs, forrests and other habitats to "fend for themselves". Even if what you say is true from an environmental perspective, we also have to fight to protect these areas from exploitation from fisherman, mining etc.

Homeostasis is unnatural.

It is natural.
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