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Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by neonstatic »

Paradigm2020 wrote: post #86
neonstatic wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 years ago I was traveling from northern Poland to southern Poland by train - the only option unless you have a car. It so happened that my family was flying from Toronto to Warsaw at the exact same time. They arrived before I did and were much more comfortable than I was, too. Not to mention the safety aspect. Of course if we're talking about cities that are 20-30 minutes away by car, then flying would not be reaso…

You call strawman on someone else and show up with anecdata... And even anecdata with so little information as to be useless. In all honesty one of the biggest problems in all these discussion is that there is no Europe healthcare / trains /... Spain has the second most rail in the world per Capita and together with France are one of the best experiences (Japan and China in their own league) while Germany is currentl…

> You call strawman on someone else and show up with anecdata

Anecdotal is just that - sample size of one. Straw man is a dishonest manipulation technique to bring someone down.

> In all honesty one of the biggest problems in all these discussion is that there is no Europe healthcare / trains /...

Yes!

> Public healthcare in Belgium (personal experience, doctors / 1000 people etc) is amongst the best in the world while I guess based on your comment the one in poland is not that good ?

Healthcare in Poland is very poor and has been that way for a while. In fact, it's currently in the spotlight as it's on the verge of collapse and controversies are brought up to light to assign a convenient scapegoat.

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by andrekandre »

naveen99 wrote: post #78
tedggh wrote: post #77

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I think LLMs, with only a few exceptions, have mostly created the illusion of value. It’s undeniable I can write code, troubleshoot and document much faster than in the pre LLM era, but putting a dollar value to that it’s not particularly easy. One group of people being 100x faster at one task doesn’t mean the organization as a whole runs at 100x the speed, in fact in most cases where the bottle neck is somewhere els…

How about sole proprietors?

that would be interesting to see with a large longitudinal study

any new technology also introduces new bottlenecks, so i wonder if its a 2 steps forwards 1 step backwards (or vice versa) situation (e.g llm summarized my email conversation to be more clear but left out a key detail; now i have to rework my proposal and i lost 1 week of income etc)

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by Paradigm2020 »

neonstatic wrote: post #91
Paradigm2020 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You call strawman on someone else and show up with anecdata... And even anecdata with so little information as to be useless. In all honesty one of the biggest problems in all these discussion is that there is no Europe healthcare / trains /... Spain has the second most rail in the world per Capita and together with France are one of the best experiences (Japan and China in their own league) while Germany is currentl…

> You call strawman on someone else and show up with anecdata Anecdotal is just that - sample size of one. Straw man is a dishonest manipulation technique to bring someone down. > In all honesty one of the biggest problems in all these discussion is that there is no Europe healthcare / trains /... Yes! > Public healthcare in Belgium (personal experience, doctors / 1000 people etc) is amongst the best in the world whi…

I'd say bring someone down is a bit exagerated (distraction is more common) and not assuming the good fate we're supposed to have. Could also be him feeling that it is relevant / applicable ...

The classical saying is “The plural of anecdote is not data.”... hence you should in general on hn bring some actual data based facts (hence me not just using personal experience but also mentioning doctors/1000 metric)

But anyway glad we agree on Europe not 1 and sad to hear about bad healthcare in Poland, hope you get some politicians who actually care to fix it.

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by naveen99 »

andrekandre wrote: post #92
naveen99 wrote: post #78

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How about sole proprietors?

that would be interesting to see with a large longitudinal study any new technology also introduces new bottlenecks, so i wonder if its a 2 steps forwards 1 step backwards (or vice versa) situation (e.g llm summarized my email conversation to be more clear but left out a key detail; now i have to rework my proposal and i lost 1 week of income etc)

Resnet’s solve the regression problem.

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by throwaway323929 »

blinkbat wrote: post #13
throwaway323929 wrote: post #7

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Instead of just rejecting the future like a Roman fatalist because you've decided that it's just going to be someone else controlling you, maybe a better plan is to adopt emerging technology when it comes into play (like for example when the Internet came into play) and use it to start your own company, or make yourself more productive, or disrupt an industry that desperately needs it. I shouldn't have to explain the…

it's really funny when people advise the fix for widespread sociological problems as "just become an entrepreneur and disrupt an industry bro"

It's better than siting on a web site dedicated to technological development you don't like and complaining.

Why are you surprised you got laid off? Go do something with your life.

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by throwaway323929 »

pixl97 wrote: post #11
throwaway323929 wrote: post #7

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Instead of just rejecting the future like a Roman fatalist because you've decided that it's just going to be someone else controlling you, maybe a better plan is to adopt emerging technology when it comes into play (like for example when the Internet came into play) and use it to start your own company, or make yourself more productive, or disrupt an industry that desperately needs it. I shouldn't have to explain the…

"All everybody has to do is work and there will be no unemployment" --throwaway323929 Wow, you just solved economics! Your argument is so incredibly reductive as to be nonsensical. The understanding of the allocation of capital is seemingly below grade school level. Even moreso, your understanding of the business cycle and how it interacts with governments and banks seems to be even more immature. "manufacturing" did…

Why don't you try doing some work that's actually useful for someone else, instead of just endlessly, ceaselessly posting junk on a web site you don't even like? Are you surprised that nobody wants to pay you to do this? Provide something of value to others and you will be rewarded for that.

I'm sorry you don't live in an alternative universe where you can just post low value opinions on HN all day and get rewarded handsomely for that, but I don't think you should be surprised why you can't figure out how to make a successful life while you do it in the present one. And I don't feel like working more to subsidize you to do that via handouts, and almost nobody else does either. Good luck.

Re: Generative AI Is an Engineering Disaster

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Post by try_the_bass »

unknownfuture wrote: post #73
try_the_bass wrote: post #70

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I mean, that is the essence of how to fix the problems in a capitalist society? One of the core tenets of capitalism is that one person's profits are another person's opportunity. If the latter can do the work/obtain the capital to break into the industry, they can capture some of those profits by offering competition at a lower price point. I don't think the person you're bagging on is saying it's easy to do; but th…

> I mean, that is the essence of how to fix the problems in a capitalist society? So... we're just gonna forget that governments exist? We gonna assume rivers would've stopped burning in the US if only there had just been more startups working on making rivers stop burning?

> So... we're just gonna forget that governments exist?

... No?

I'm not sure anything I said implied otherwise. I mean, I literally mentioned government in my second paragraph...

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