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Ente – Opening Our Books

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#91
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This is cool, I was looking into Ente to supplement Google Photos (I got 6k of my kid's photos, my Google account is associated with too many things and I worry about losing access). $1M ARR seems low though.

Their costs are low, being based in India.

Are they based in India? They list offices in the US, India and Netherlands and advertise that they store photos in 3 European countries...

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#92
post #37

Buffer.com is famously open as well, if you like this kind of stuff. Revenue: https://buffer.com/metrics Expenses: https://buffer.com/transparent-pricing Salaries of every employee (which seems like PII to me): https://buffer.com/salaries And more: https://buffer.com/open

Those are killer salaries for the ones not in the US. Imagine earning $160k USD in Morocco, Nigeria or Panama. 99.9th percentile.

There is a well funded US company that pays the same rate to everyone regardless of where they live (or at least did when I interviewed with them several years ago). Unfortunately when I received the offer it was too low to consider vs my other offers because I had no plans to move out of the States but the company had employees living like kings and queens in Vietnam and similar countries

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#94
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your margins are about 70%, do you have any plans to reduce your prices? Compared to other photo storage platforms, your pricing seems a lot higher. End to end encryption seems to be the only USP when a person looks at your hosted offering.

70% is our gross margin. We have expenses outside of infrastructure (people, ops, marketing, ...). We have to reduce our prices, to make Ente's products accessible to a wider audience. But right now the focus is on building a sustainable business and increasing the probability of this business outliving us.

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#95
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "but practically speaking [they] are broke" > How do you know this? They were not claiming a fact, they were posing a hypothetical.

They mean even in the hypothetical how would they know, without open books? They're just theorizing, same as with revenue.

It is not theorizing to say "a company with $N of revenue and ($N - $1) of operating costs is essentially broke".

Of course, the whole point is that you typically would have no idea of the numbers unless the books are open and include both numbers. Which Ente is not doing.

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#96
post #51

What I don't get about Ente is their E2E promise. When you share albums with someone else, the key is passed in the URL. Nothing prevents Ente from grabbing the key and decrypting all the data at this point. So it's basically "E2E, trust me bro". Or am I missing something?

The key is passed in the URL fragment. URL fragments do not leave your browser. Implementation details here: https://ente.com/blog/building-shareable-links/

OP's point is, as a consequence of providing "useable security", the secret keys remain "exportable" (in this case, unwrapped in a URL fragment), which is an undesirable trait in some threat models. Let alone web-based cryptography, which in on itself is perilous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39436238

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#97

Kinda unrelated, but the art direction on Ente's site is really top-notch.

It is, but they need a marketing person, because I'm still not sure I know what they do even after reading the About page.

> Safe home for your photos

The largest text front and center on ente.com

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#98
post #73
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your margins are about 70%, do you have any plans to reduce your prices? Compared to other photo storage platforms, your pricing seems a lot higher. End to end encryption seems to be the only USP when a person looks at your hosted offering.

70% is not unreasonable gross margin. What makes you think that’s a reason to ask that they lower prices? That 70% has to cover a lot of expenses.

GP here. The initial comment did not say that it was the gross margin. Only a follow up reply to my comment asking about the price reduction did. So I assumed it was net margin.

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your margins are about 70%, do you have any plans to reduce your prices? Compared to other photo storage platforms, your pricing seems a lot higher. End to end encryption seems to be the only USP when a person looks at your hosted offering.

That’s not the only unique selling point. It’s a very refined and feature-complete product with e2ee. Many alternatives just don’t have feature parity…Ente has been of the few alternative apps where you can say “it has everything important Google/Apple Photos has.” It has desktop apps, which a number of alternatives don’t have. It has automated continuous plain-directory export for making your 3-2-1 backup that uses…

GP here. You make some valid points, but I was talking about the pricing of the hosted service by Ente because Ente allows self hosting too. Of course, the investment to support self hosting and to provide the apps (for free to anyone, including the self hosting crowd) matter in pricing decisions. But it still seems quite high to me.
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