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Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by robocat »

kelnos wrote: post #33
isomorphic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm speculating that it's not the selfie; it's where that selfie ends up (or with whom).

OP apparently still hasn't learned that the kids today are taking selfies "blind" using the rear camera.

Your comment led me to the Insta360 device that makes it easy to take selfies with the main camera:

https://www.theverge.com/tech/907670/insta360-snap-usb-c-mag...

Second screen: provided by USB-C screencast and accessibility settings for to support touch. Image of device: https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/202...

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by Forgeties79 »

bawolff wrote: post #21
Grombobulous wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t give me a cellphone. I wanted to call my girlfriend. Well, really, my girlfriend wanted me to call her. A lot. They didn’t give me one. I ended up finding a way to get my own through a more apathetic adult who I could pay cash to cover my bill (only an extra $10/month on a family plan). I certainly am not telling you to just cave in, but perhaps this story can be a reminder that t…

What age groups are we talking here, because if we're talking about a 7 year old, giving them unfettered screen time is probably bad parenting. However if we are talking about someone old enough to have gf/bf its probably also bad parenting to not let them develop their own self control around technology. They have to be an adult eventually.

Who said it had to be unfettered?

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by zer00eyz »

fma wrote: post #4

>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time. I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

As a late Gen X I grew up when the "it's 10pm do you know where your kids are" ad's ran. When "just say no" was all I heard for a decade. When sex ed was marginally controversial. Honestly, I remain shocked that I never got arrested for some of my shenanigans. The rest of it was drinking, drugs and partying.

I was candid with my kids about what I did in my youth, I was also honest with them about how terrible the tech was. They also got unfettered access to it (tech), and there were lots of conversations and consequences around its (mis)use.

Given the history of "abstinence only" sex ed, and "just say no" drug campaigns, and their massive failures; just not letting them have it seemed like it was going to create the problems that many are looking to avoid.

As they have moved into adulthood they have taken those lessons to heart, and are now the ones who complain about their peers and their abuses of social media and inability to self moderate. These same conversations continue now, with the added topic of AI -

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

moralestapia wrote: post #61
wpm wrote: post #58

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the idea of tagging my kid with a tracker like they're a wild bird being tracked is repugnant

Just a suggestion, be more mindful when you make comments involving other people's kids. (which is generally a no-no unless you're invited to) On the internet is fine, but I've been to places around the world where a comment like that would result in black eyes, missing teeth, etc.

Eh, people who write about their parenting in the internet are opening it for comments

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by Forgeties79 »

kelipso wrote: post #89
Grombobulous wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a teenager, if that wasn’t clear. But I was more of the mindset of lending a story, I can’t say whether or not it’s relevant to the parent commenter’s scenario.

I don’t think “one can get around rules” is a very insightful thing to say, it’s just a truism.

They’re talking about the relative ineffectiveness of prohibition when it comes to teenagers. Generally speaking, they’re right. And the implication is therefore “don’t just blanket ban your way through screen time restrictions.”

It’s a bit more nuanced than “one can get around the rules.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by wpm »

moralestapia wrote: post #66
walt_grata wrote: post #65

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What did they actually say about some's kida? Knocking out someones teeth would necessitate filing charges

Oh, absolutely! I would just prefer to avoid all of that.

you should be having words with people who would turn to violence on such a short fuse then, not me and my comment that didn't even say anything about anyone elses kids

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by kakacik »

While all one needz in such case is new commodore (yes, that commodore) flip phone.

Whatsapp, google maps, calls, sms. No browser, no store, no bullshit. Kids dont need more, if parents dont want to ruin (part of) their childhood. No need for restrictive apple ecosystem neither.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by mrandish »

bawolff wrote: post #21
Grombobulous wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t give me a cellphone. I wanted to call my girlfriend. Well, really, my girlfriend wanted me to call her. A lot. They didn’t give me one. I ended up finding a way to get my own through a more apathetic adult who I could pay cash to cover my bill (only an extra $10/month on a family plan). I certainly am not telling you to just cave in, but perhaps this story can be a reminder that t…

What age groups are we talking here, because if we're talking about a 7 year old, giving them unfettered screen time is probably bad parenting. However if we are talking about someone old enough to have gf/bf its probably also bad parenting to not let them develop their own self control around technology. They have to be an adult eventually.

We didn't give our kid her own phone until a few months past her 13th birthday. She was at a private elementary school since kindergarten and her class was small and mostly had the same kids from K-8, so the parents got to know each other early on and there was general agreement on 'no phones until 13'. This greatly reduced the "but so-and-so has one".

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by platevoltage »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #86
fma wrote: post #4

>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time. I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

You are teaching your children to be even more secretive and hide things from you even better.

Great. They are learning good security culture. That will be useful later in life when every move they make will be surveilled.

Re: Buried Apple feature turns an iPhone into the perfect kids' dumb phone

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Post by vlovich123 »

lostlogin wrote: post #76
JoeBOFH wrote: post #62

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That’s how we handle it with ours as well. He found a way around a certain control and we opened a bug report with the vendor and it was acknowledged and fixed. He then realized he locked out other kids with that and laughed and tries to find more worth reporting.

Is that black hat or white hat?

Chaotic hat
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