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Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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I don't get why it is believed that trees can't pump water above a certain limit, all it should take is a system of valves, something that plants already have for other purposes. It certainly isn't lumuted by trees literally sucking water up as that would limit them to a height that can be easily exceeded by the majority of trees.

It seems that trees just don't grow that tall anymore. Even common trees such as the spruce seem to be able to reach 100m, they just kind of don't.

One possibility is the depletion of nutrients. But what I think is to blame is the lack of elephants. They constantly ruined young trees and the lucky few that survived then grew huge. Perhaps the redwoods were actually created by the natives, who removed young trees, and kept the old trees standing.

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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I'm studying for a bachelor's degree in horticulture part-time through a distance-learning university. If you're more interested in growing plants, I'd say horticulture is a better fit than botany. If you're more interested in understanding how plants work, botany is probably the better choice. That said, you'll still learn a lot of botany in a horticulture degree as well obviously

Thank you sir. I actually got my CS from distance learning and somehow the combination of growing things and monitoring everything using CS just grabs me. I would work on any farm anywhere with appropriate agency.

Oooo, I get a bit excited about interdisciplinary techno-plant-and-livestock

Another area that might be easier to break in to as far as work goes is labouring for an irrigation business, kinda agricultural plumbing.

You’ve probably seen pivots[1] and side-roll irrigation systems.

This would put you in more direct contact with the farm operators, expose you to a wide range of agricultural crops, and also tie neatly in to your existing CS skill set with regard to agricultural SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition), or Industrial Arduino as I like to call it.

Working for seed processes / distributors and fertiliser and pest & weed control industries could also be another foot-in-the-door move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center-pivot_irrigation

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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I don't get why it is believed that trees can't pump water above a certain limit, all it should take is a system of valves, something that plants already have for other purposes. It certainly isn't lumuted by trees literally sucking water up as that would limit them to a height that can be easily exceeded by the majority of trees. It seems that trees just don't grow that tall anymore. Even common trees such as the sp…

Also, wasn’t the 250 ppm atmospheric CO2 concentration prior to the start of the Industrial Revolution a historic low as far a geological-time goes?

I suppose that’s not particularly relevant for more recent old growth tall trees that seem to have got by fine in a colder Earth.

But it’s easy to imagine a warmer, wetter, Earth with higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations being more conducive to taller tree growth.

On the other hand, I probably don’t really know what I’m talking about, not my area of expertise.

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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I seem to recall for some long-ago course that the 8,000m peaks are up around the compresssive limit so yoou couldn't really have a taller mountain.

Mostly true on Earth, but not on other planets with lower gravity, and AFAIK it depends on the rock type. Hence why you have Olympus Mons on Mars (or insanely tall ice mountains on Pluto, when that material couldn't form such a steep talus angle on Earth).

Well, yes, I'm talking about ~1g on earth. And, also yes, rock type makes a difference but I assume there is some commonality with the tallest peaks.

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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I don't get why it is believed that trees can't pump water above a certain limit, all it should take is a system of valves, something that plants already have for other purposes. It certainly isn't lumuted by trees literally sucking water up as that would limit them to a height that can be easily exceeded by the majority of trees. It seems that trees just don't grow that tall anymore. Even common trees such as the sp…

> all it should take is a system of valves,

That would work, but it's not how to works apparently. According to this veritasium video, it's because of "negative pressure" aka tension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BickMFHAZR0

I recommend watching, I think it's one of the best veritasium Dereck has ever produced.

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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This goes against all previous research/measurements for actually tall trees (looks like they only considered up to 80m) and the fact that there are exactly zeros trees in the world taller than 130 meters [1]. Wide capillaries at the base, like stated in the article, don't seem to be related. [1] https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/REDWOODS-How-tall-can...

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Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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Another paper for the “Obviously” category. Otherwise the leafs at the top would be brown. But I did a PhD myself and our papers were exactly the same. Noone wants to rock the boat. Professors just want to get to their pension without problems. And people will cite things that are in line with their own stuff. So there you have it. Just proving the obvious time and time and time again.

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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True and also, the actual physical contact and results are absolute magic. Maybe we need to create a "computer scientists for botony" forum. I think that has legs. Botany is great because the results are basically what I'd call magic. It's such beauty (and horror on occasion). The marriage of CS and botany seems like a match made in heaven and just from writing these comments I've convinced myself that it's probably…

Just about everything we experience in our lives is a constant distraction from the fact that biology and its mechanisms are the most interesting thing in our existence.

But but… physics—space and time etc?

— Carl Sagan

Re: Giant trees have no trouble pumping water to top branches: new research

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Barbarism was just the ethnic slang Greeks had for non Greeks that Romans then adopted for non Romans. But cultures playing “I’m the best” is not new nor did it require cultural development; othering is a natural part of game theory to make sure your tribe has tighter cohesion against intruders.

Yeah, they were called barbarians because they talked funny. Bar bar barbar bar, they went.

Maybe they were talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara%27s_Rhubarb_Bar
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