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Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Post by codedokode »

hammock wrote: post #18
EA-3167 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems to be the case, although he claims to have somehow missed them. Overall this is one of those stories that's obviously an outrage, except for the fact that every country on Earth spies on the rest, and quite a few private entities do as well. Still the way the game is played if you get caught you have to act ashamed, and the people catching you get to gloat. It's silly, but it's a show the public never tire…

The US does not spy on Five Eyes government leadership or that of Israel. And perhaps more: in the wake of Snowden, which obliterated many diplomatic relationships the U.S. has with other countries, Obama issued a directive that the U.S. would not monitor heads of state and government of close friends and allies (even outside Five Eyes) unless there was a compelling national security reason. As far as we know that di…

> unless there was a compelling national security reason

But there never is a lack of compelling national security reasons.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Post by r_lee »

jongjong wrote: post #37
DocTomoe wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Network effects are real. It is hard to convince people to move over to your platform if the selling argument is 'not quite there yet, but we got you covered on the minilib front, plus it's less usable because of our weird interpretation of our own data protection laws'.

Yes and my perspective is that GDPR has harmed EU startups and helped US companies by virtue of them being incumbents and having the resources to dedicate to compliance. Probably can't be fixed as easily now because of corporate culture around standards like SOC2 and ISO27001... Which I think are more harmful to security than helpful as they create complacency and hinder progress by creating barriers.

that is most of the EU legislation

making/operating companies, getting access to banking, hiring, etc..

all those things are catered towards multinationals by endless bureaucracy and requirements that need consultants/lawyers

it's by design

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Post by isodev »

bawolff wrote: post #24
pmontra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"he did not recall receiving the Apple notifications" so he didn't notice them.

That is kind of surprising given he is on the comittee investigating pegasus. I'd assume someone on the comittee would be paying much more attention to this than a normal person. I wonder what triggered him to suspect he was hacked then. Since presumably something triggered him to have his phone forensically investigated.

> That is kind of surprising

Have you seen notifications on iOS? There are even notifications for the notifications.

But this type of notification I believe is delivered via iMessage and email. So unless you’re actively using iMessage or your icloud email then chances are all this is practically invisible.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Post by kakacik »

brookst wrote: post #82
wwind123 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a notification is dismissed on iphone, there's indeed no central UI to see it again on the phone. That's a sad state of iphone. Many people have asked, but Apple just doesn't care enough to do it. Now I hope this kind of high-profile security incidents could nudge Apple towards taking action.

Any source for that “Apple just doesn’t care”, as opposed to thinking there are security/privacy tradeoffs or other considerations that cut against such a feature?

If they cared, they would give user triple confirm option to choose for example.

Oh wait this is apple, they always know whats best for the user and do the choices for them, even when wrong. So all is as expected

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

#97

Post by kakacik »

hammock wrote: post #18
EA-3167 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems to be the case, although he claims to have somehow missed them. Overall this is one of those stories that's obviously an outrage, except for the fact that every country on Earth spies on the rest, and quite a few private entities do as well. Still the way the game is played if you get caught you have to act ashamed, and the people catching you get to gloat. It's silly, but it's a show the public never tire…

The US does not spy on Five Eyes government leadership or that of Israel. And perhaps more: in the wake of Snowden, which obliterated many diplomatic relationships the U.S. has with other countries, Obama issued a directive that the U.S. would not monitor heads of state and government of close friends and allies (even outside Five Eyes) unless there was a compelling national security reason. As far as we know that di…

There is some directive (not law, not constitution - not that those are untouchable now) and we expect current us government to adhere to it, just because it would be nice?

Color me extremely sceptical.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Post by zx8080 »

> It is important to note that threat notifications from Apple and other companies are not real-time alerts. They are typically sent to users in batches, often months or more after targeting takes place.

Wow, so Apple is able to detect threat, but does not remove or prevent it, and waits silently for months before notifying a user?

If this is not a security theatre I don't know what is.

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