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Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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>You do not need a 2nm processor to [...] drop a missile on someone's head, make 10 million parts in a factory, or fly a plane. What a silly argument. You DO NEED those 2nm CPUs and GPUs to run the CAD and CAE work to design an effective missile and run the battlefield sensor fusion and intelligence data processing to decide when and where to drop that missile. Otherwise if you stay low tech on 20 year old HW, you en…

>You DO NEED those 2nm CPUs and GPUs to run the CAD and CAE work to design an effective missile We've been able to do intensive CAD and CAE to make effective missiles for a long while now. Modern process nodes are not required. Iran has been doing appreciable missile damage to US bases, and has never entered the TOP500. > and run the battlefield sensor fusion and intelligence data processing to decide when and where…

>Novo Nordisk making 75% of its profits on selling weight loss drugs to overweight Americans is indirectly good for the bloc because money is generally useful

The highest margin businesses in EU run on US IP made in Taiwan. How is that on sovereignty? I literally addressed this twice. It's a massive vulnerability that nobody in the EU is even remotely addressing. Making our own 0,02$ microcontrollers and mosfets is missing the forest from the trees. Why do you think China is making their own GPUs now?

>The tradesmen built the hospital in the first place, and the support staff keep it running.

Except there's more tradesmen than x-ray techs on the market, and training or importing the former from aboard is a lot easier and cheaper than the latter. Flawed argument.

>The MCUs and FETs are what allows any semblance of day-to-day life to continue.

So does having shoes on your feet, yet we don't onshore shoe manufacturing in the west.

>Those salaries are massively suppressed by various cultural dynamics in Europe, and a misplaced trust in the US to protect it.

No, they're suppressed by the EU business elites who want cheap labor. The US is the convenient boogieman so that the Europoors don't guillotine their leaders and oligarchs.

>so that you can have a salary closer to what you would see in an American tech company.

Haha, that's just wishful thinking. HW and embedded SW jobs still pay like shit in Europe because the EU economy is so shit it's too addicted to offshoring and driving labor costs into the ground in the race to the bottom to increase shareholder value. So everyone still wants to be a Saas tech-bro than an engineer because it pays better.

>prioritizing cutting-edge chip fab over the basics that are supporting your ability to defend and provide for yourselves at the most basic level is just an incorrect move.

My brother in Christ, cutting edge fabs can also make 0,02$ microcontrollers and transistors in case of war, they're not stuck making GPUS. There's no logical reason to stay on ancient processes nodes other than because you're too broke to afford cutting edge fabs. Why do you think China is so depurate to make cutting edge fabs and not stay on >7nM?

Your arguments are mostly flawed based on poor understanding of sovereignty, supply chains and market economics.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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>Also suitable for keeping an economy functioning The (western) economy runs on sub 7nm phone, laptop and datacenter chips on which the white collar workforce produces value. Those are the ones that are also the most profitable since they have the highest margins. Europe doesn't have that.

They are the most profitable, but you don't need much of those. While you need tons of cheap chips for robotics in manufacturing. If you want to focus on profits, you focus on the former, if you want the backbone of your industry to be more resilient, you focus on the latter. In a case of an embargo, the consumers can use yesteryear's hardware just fine, while the robot with a fixed deprecation schedule needs to be r…

> the consumers can use yesteryear's hardware just fine,

Eu can't make yesterday's HW either. Nor HW form yester-dacde.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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>Also suitable for keeping an economy functioning The (western) economy runs on sub 7nm phone, laptop and datacenter chips on which the white collar workforce produces value. Those are the ones that are also the most profitable since they have the highest margins. Europe doesn't have that.

Maybe you just woke up from a coma but here in Europe we’re ramping up our industrial base for a shooting war with Russia after the US withdraws from NATO. I don’t think smartphones are the biggest concern.

Smartphones(apple and google) make a lot of money, money which you need to finance the war with Russia.

And the non-Apple, non-Google smartphone, like Korea and China have, create the backbone of supply chain electronics that enable the Korean and Chinese military tech to be so advanced and cheap.

How thick can you be to not see the importance of such an industry in the defense sector? You say Europe woke up from a coma, but from your argument, I can safely say we're still deep in it and there's no way we're ever waking up if the average Europoor thinks like you.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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>Also suitable for keeping an economy functioning The (western) economy runs on sub 7nm phone, laptop and datacenter chips on which the white collar workforce produces value. Those are the ones that are also the most profitable since they have the highest margins. Europe doesn't have that.

A drone will work with 30nm chips just fine, but it won't work with no chips at all

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Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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>Also suitable for keeping an economy functioning The (western) economy runs on sub 7nm phone, laptop and datacenter chips on which the white collar workforce produces value. Those are the ones that are also the most profitable since they have the highest margins. Europe doesn't have that.

A drone will work with 30nm chips just fine, but it won't work with no chips at all

How do you design the drone using 30nm chips in the fist place?

Also, in that case, manufacturing capacity is what counts and EU lacks that too.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Maybe you just woke up from a coma but here in Europe we’re ramping up our industrial base for a shooting war with Russia after the US withdraws from NATO. I don’t think smartphones are the biggest concern.

Smartphones(apple and google) make a lot of money, money which you need to finance the war with Russia. And the non-Apple, non-Google smartphone, like Korea and China have, create the backbone of supply chain electronics that enable the Korean and Chinese military tech to be so advanced and cheap. How thick can you be to not see the importance of such an industry in the defense sector? You say Europe woke up from a c…

I’m fine with taking back sovereignty on the smartphone side as well since we can’t really rely on Apple and Google to not do whatever the guy in the White House asks them to do but we have to walk before we run.

If this thing evolves into a global war who would we export to?

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Smartphones(apple and google) make a lot of money, money which you need to finance the war with Russia. And the non-Apple, non-Google smartphone, like Korea and China have, create the backbone of supply chain electronics that enable the Korean and Chinese military tech to be so advanced and cheap. How thick can you be to not see the importance of such an industry in the defense sector? You say Europe woke up from a c…

I’m fine with taking back sovereignty on the smartphone side as well since we can’t really rely on Apple and Google to not do whatever the guy in the White House asks them to do but we have to walk before we run. If this thing evolves into a global war who would we export to?

When it comes to war with Russia, all the Fabs in Dresden are also primary targets for a strike with ballistic weapon systems. In the worst-case scenario, these will be attacked with conventional warheads or rather with a small thermonuclear warhead (EMP?). Probably the Fabs as a tactical target are even more in danger than MBDA in Bavaria or the tactical HQ of NATO in Rostock. Let's hope for a miracle that calms the escalation.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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A drone will work with 30nm chips just fine, but it won't work with no chips at all

How do you design the drone using 30nm chips in the fist place? Also, in that case, manufacturing capacity is what counts and EU lacks that too.

Others have explained the gaps in your thinking, all over this thread. Why are you here?

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Let's see the state of this project in 5 years. Experience tends to show European projects dragging forever and then suddenly closing whilst funds mysteriously move into semi public companies with boards full to the brim with retired political figures

You are aware, that this is the report of the factory being completed right?

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Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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They are the most profitable, but you don't need much of those. While you need tons of cheap chips for robotics in manufacturing. If you want to focus on profits, you focus on the former, if you want the backbone of your industry to be more resilient, you focus on the latter. In a case of an embargo, the consumers can use yesteryear's hardware just fine, while the robot with a fixed deprecation schedule needs to be r…

> the consumers can use yesteryear's hardware just fine, Eu can't make yesterday's HW either. Nor HW form yester-dacde.

Yesteryears hardware was already made and is already owned by the people.
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