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Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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I wonder if people said this about compilers. Some day they’ll replace all that compiler generated junk with hand crafted ASM. This reminds me of that. The spec is the new high level language. Code is ASM. ASM is like CPU microcode.

Compiler developers didn't hoover up as much human creative work as they could, legally or not, to evolve a giant inscrutable thing that does what it does probabilistically, with the explicit goal of replacing as much human labor as possible for the enrichment of the already rich. Whatever benefits we get out of generative AI are just a side effect, and one that may not last when the investors stop subsidizing our ac…

As I said, I think we need to separate the business of AI, which is full of the usual bullshit, and the technology of AI, which is producing some useful tools.

The open source models are proving just as capable as the commercial ones. If Anthropic goes bust tomorrow (which seems likely) then we will still have those useful tools.

LLMs are not going to replace all our jobs. I know they've been claiming this, but anyone who actually uses the tools can see that this isn't true. This is part of the business bullshit. Hopefully it stops when the bubble pops and we get into the depressed phase of the Gartner Hype Cycle, and start building the actual businesses and tools that this tech can provide.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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I disagree. The problem, if I concede there is a problem , is not new or unique to AI but problematic to the internet -fake news, fake reviews, AstroTurfing, etc. This is not an AI problem. The internet is a bad place with lots of bad actors and no one says anything about malicious state actors who pollute the internet (they might be called xenophobic !) AI merely is another tool for bad actors to be better bad actor…

You are right about being cynical about media. But you didnt grow up reading BYTE magazine.

You are right. I grew up reading Mad magazine.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Reddit is a training ground for AI. They are part of the "AI problem " no? And AI needs to avoid feeding itself synthetic data. Maybe this whole Anti AI frenzy is just an attempt to feed AI human content.

Any public website will be a training ground for AI.

A public website that openly tolerates AI content is part of the AI GI/GO problem.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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I haven't heard that exact expression before, but basically agenda-driven speech, for commercial or ideological persuasion or whatever. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning

I’ll wait for OP to respond in affirmative but I’m not necessarily agreeing that that’s what they meant. By that standard then literally everything that is opinion based (ideological) is motivated reasoning

You can factually tell someone your opinion about something, without trying to persuade them of it.

Re: We need tech news sources which exclude AI

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Honestly. I want the AI news. I wish HN would add filtering features. I know they want us to all see the same homepage, but it’s time to let us have our tables. Pro-AI-era should be able to have a cohort thread, and anti-AI should be able to avoid it, or have a ring fence for their anti-AI discussions. We end up with some good threads on HN in both directions, but there’s a weight to early voices that can bend a post…

If you want HN with only AI stories, you can invert the AI filter on hcker.news. https://hcker.news/?ai=include

It's not just the stories, it's the behavior of the community that creates the threads.

EDIT: Took a look, it doesn't really solve the issue I raised above, but it is an interesting link. Thanks.

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