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SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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I don't think most people signed up for it by just having some money in their pension funds.

They literally did. Investing in a broad market index means you want to own everything because you can't pick winners. You just imagine you can pick for no good reason.

Pension funds are forbidden from picking winners and are required to buy into these indexes though. At best you can choose which index.

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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A few Chinese companies build both batteries and cars faster and more cost effectively than anyone else including Tesla though.

something is going on with those Chinese companies if the equivalent Toyota costs twice as much to produce. It could be close-to-free labor, subsidies, or a myriad other things... but it's something.

Lower pay (but relatively more employees), integrated development and manufacture (they don't subcontract parts like many western and possibly japanese mfgs do), support by regional govs etc., they also don't pay licenses to licensing orgs and bit by bit all of this accumulates. Also huge competition leading to relentless cost cutting.

Some links:

https://x.com/maxiaoalex/status/2062910018840854722

But mostly this one:

https://rhg.com/research/why-are-chinese-evs-so-cheap/

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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post #91

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They literally did. Investing in a broad market index means you want to own everything because you can't pick winners. You just imagine you can pick for no good reason.

Pension funds are forbidden from picking winners and are required to buy into these indexes though. At best you can choose which index.

Yes. If you want to avoid paying taxes, ERISA says plan administrators must act as fiduciaries and provide options across risk/reward spectrum.

If you elect "total market index" then you want to own SPCX.

Open a brokerage account and pay taxes if you want something more specific.

If you want your 401k to have an "I hate Elon plan" then what point are you making?

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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I don't get the complaint about Tesla. It's profitable, has little debt and 40 billion in the bank. What sort of "Power over the behavior of the market" do they exert? Like they can force people to buy their cars. Space X has the most sophisticated vehicle ever created by man. Dicks does not. If you are only looking at revenue then sure, but that would be silly, you have to look at what the potential in a company is…

Did their potential go up or down when their CEO started heiling?

Spacex just had the biggest IPO is the history of the world. Nearly 3x larger than the next closest one. So any view toward Elon hasn’t mattered much.

Tesla itself still has the best selling car so I don’t think their potential was hurt much. People who hated him irrationally before hate him irrationally now

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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post #91

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Pension funds are forbidden from picking winners and are required to buy into these indexes though. At best you can choose which index.

Yes. If you want to avoid paying taxes, ERISA says plan administrators must act as fiduciaries and provide options across risk/reward spectrum. If you elect "total market index" then you want to own SPCX. Open a brokerage account and pay taxes if you want something more specific. If you want your 401k to have an "I hate Elon plan" then what point are you making?

More like "avoid rule-bending fraud investments".

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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The plan is simply for insiders to offload their bags (overvalued shares) to retail investors, like the folk who frequent the wallstreetbets subreddit and do all their “investing” on Robinhood. This speaks to the larger trend of the lower and middle class apparently giving up on any plans to retire- and it’s understandable as the federal minimum wage has never been so disconnected from the cost of living, plus inflat…

Most if not all brokerages allow you to do that. I just opened up my fidelity and etrade to check. That doesn't make it right perse, but your moralisation at the end becomes more weak. Robinhood is only as "truly vile" as all of wall street. And anyway, options can play a decent role in financial strategy, most retailers don't use these instruments appropriately. To quote The Big Short, "this is wall street dr bury,…

Most brokerages don’t have an app that encourages reckless trading by exploiting dopamine. This becomes that age-old argument about where the corporation’s responsibility ends and the individual’s responsibility begins. I guarantee it’s a lot harder to blow your retirement on 0DTE options via a “traditional” broker than an “app first” brokerage like Robinhood.

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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Agreed. More importantly, this long documented history of massive recurring multi-billion dollar fraud and theft – mostly from domestic and international retirement funds – indicates that America is essentially, for all intents and purposes, a plutocratic dictatorship with the illusion of democracy. Ticking a box every few years, when all your options are pre-positioned to continue a criminal status-quo, is neither "…

apologies, not putting it directly at you I've always thought americans had an amendment specifically for situations when voting does not work I think it's a great illustration of complicated cybernetics at work, i.e. its not enough to give people the right to enact change and own the instruments for it: homeostatic forces will preserve status quo no matter how many firearms are circulating. Can't really think of a c…

I mean unfortunately, as with the rest of the constitution, it’s up to the courts (ultimately the Supreme Court) to interpret, and the majority will never condone revolution, no matter how corrupt or ineffective the government becomes.

I think not many people realize that if the American Revolution was unsuccessful, the founding fathers would have been hanged for treason. It’s nice to have that given to us as a “right”, but with no means to enforce that right it may as well not exist at all. As time goes on I become more and more convinced that the founding fathers were exactly like Elon Musk- greedy, selfish, and out to brainwash the populace into doing their bidding. Many were wealthy slave owners, after all.

Re: SpaceX sheds $400B in market value as debut rally hits reverse

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The plan is simply for insiders to offload their bags (overvalued shares) to retail investors, like the folk who frequent the wallstreetbets subreddit and do all their “investing” on Robinhood. This speaks to the larger trend of the lower and middle class apparently giving up on any plans to retire- and it’s understandable as the federal minimum wage has never been so disconnected from the cost of living, plus inflat…

Options is gambling only for the vast majority who're inexperienced with them or don't have a sound theory for them. I can trade them in my setup with over a 95% success rate, perhaps even 99%. Of course I am not going to type out my theory here. Such an overgeneralization ruined your otherwise reasonable comment. Always stop when you are winning.

If you have an options strategy that works 99% of the time, then you’re a millionaire, and if you’re a millionaire I have to ask what you’re doing here replying to people about options trading.
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