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Re: The European Social Stack

#91

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Yeah, basically no successful American social media company advertises itself as being American. And its users do not think of it as "an American company," they just think of it as its own thing.

That might be true for social media, but there are 100s of American brands that make a large point of being thought of as an "American company" or "American made" goods.

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Re: The European Social Stack

#92
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Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

The problem is impressumspflicht, you have to add your full contact address plus name to a website you host, inviting all sorts of trolls on the internet to ruin your life. No thanks.

The most European reason to not do something.

Re: The European Social Stack

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post #47

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Laws that don’t apply to all people equally are unjust laws. Penalizing the successful is also inherently rewarding the unsuccessful. You can’t do one without the other.

They apply equally to all people who run a company of a particular size with a particular user count.

All animals are equal, but certain animals are more equal than others.

Re: The European Social Stack

#94
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Nothing about matrix or xmpp is “ideal”. This person knows nothing about how notifications work on iOS.

I think they focus mainly on the fact that these are federated and mature solutions. I don't know anything about Matrix but as far as XMPP/Jabber and "push notifications" go, you don't need to reveal the message, nor the sender, in the alert. Right, it's not perfect, but in my book that goes a long way for privacy.

You can’t send the notification to an iOS app from a federated server. All notifications to apps on iOS must come via APNS and be delivered to APNS via mTLS with a client cert issued only to the developer/publisher of that one app. Each federated instance would need its own app.

Re: The European Social Stack

#95
Is it that easy to create a multi billion dollar tech company. The competition is fierce and many have tried.

Huge companies with billions of dollars have tried to compete with Google for years. Google has spent billions to compete with Facebook.

It seems very unlikely that you can just come up with this and win.

Re: The European Social Stack

#96
I've grown to dislike mastodon and similar platforms.

They are a great place to harbor extremists and to let narcisistic instance admins play god.

I'll take Twitter/X any day, where everybody (from one extreme of the political spectrum to the other) can have pretty much the same chance at free speech.

Until Europe can't birth one such platform, I'll stay on old ones.

Re: The European Social Stack

#97

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That might be true for social media, but there are 100s of American brands that make a large point of being thought of as an "American company" or "American made" goods.

This kind of messaging is overtly Republican-coded.

Frankly it's always been democrats that have been painting stuff like that as "republican-coded" (and frankly it's giving a lot of people fatigue).

Re: The European Social Stack

#98

This looks so complicated. There needs to be like 2 obvious buttons to press to get anyone to do any of this.

A lot of these principles are totally transparent for the user. For example, emails are a complex system but users can sign up to any email service and send emails regardless of which service their recipient uses. This could totally be possible for any social network, and many apps, would they be willing to implement it. The end user experience wouldn't be any more complex.

Re: The European Social Stack

#99

Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

Totally valid point - but there are a lot of other strategic consideration. Especially with 'Social' there are network externalizations like 'critical mass' - that actually compounds across a lot of things. No European country given size and language is going to be able to create something that resonates as well as the American variation beyond the critical mass needed, at least naturally. If 'French Facebook' starte…

> Requiring government actors to use 'Euro Mastadon' or whatever - it means school, students, parents come abard and then you have 'critical mass'.

Not really.

Reality is that people (eg: students) will have the "euro mastodon" (or whatever) AND the other social media accounts, and will drop the "euro mastodon" when not legally enforced anymore (eg: when finishing school).

> Requiring 'open doc format'

If you're talking about OpenDocument, it's not european really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument - It was originally built by Sun Microsystems, a very american company (RIP).

Re: The European Social Stack

#100

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Does the average non-HN type in Europe hold comparable pan-European or even plain National Pride? I think here of the German national relationship with their own flag and feel skeptical of a comparison here.

From my observation both studying and working abroad in the Netherlands, France, Germany, Finland and Latvia, people almost always tend to cluster along ethnic or linguistic lines in another European country. This stays invariant even if the command of English is perfect. Pan-European national identity is very much non-existent, ethno-lingustic patriotism very much is alive.

Sample size of 1, but my primary connection is my state (SH) in Germany, then European. I feel less of a connection to my country.

There was a map some time ago about who had what connections on the regional, country, and EU level. Iirc EU was almost never number one, but got quite a few second places.

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