The cost issue is real, but the solution isn't less AI such as the solution for cloud costs is not less cloud. You should choose the right model for each task. lack of knowledge by most people cause them to use frontier models for basically anything.
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. Why would you try to make use of these tools when there are obvious environmental and moral problems with them? What do you tell yourself about those problems, and how do you get past them?
I think it's worth understanding the technology so we can have informed strategies for how to best regulate it. We don't solve the climate crisis by abandoning all the technological progress which has put such a strain on our ecosystem, we solve it by rethinking how we use this technology, and finding new technologies and policies to better meet our needs.
You can stop right there. Whatever we’re doing to prevent global disaster from new technologies is not working.
Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets
#93> Since the start of the year, Chinese AI models have overtaken their US counterparts in token consumption, according to data from OpenRouter, an aggregation platform that allows users to access multiple AI models. That's a bit of a dodgy statistic. OpenRouter only tracks their own users - the vast majority of API customers for OpenAI and Anthropic presumably go straight to their APIs.
It's true that OpenRouter may be a biased sample - however, do we have reason to think that isn't a relatively stable biased sample? If not, then the trendline in OpenRouter usage is still pretty interesting.
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#94CEOs laid people off to replace them with AI, but turns out AI is more expensive and does a worse job. If I made a blunder of that scale, would I or would I not be put on a PIP?
CEOs generally suffer zero consequences for their decisions, unless that decision costs someone real money.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
No OP but I can tell you exactly where I find my peace: 4 dependents, a cost of living that keeps rocketing and an industry that’s decided “the people who don’t glaze this shit don’t get to continue”. Maybe Ive sold out but what’s the alternative, I’m 17 years in, I can’t figure how I pivot my expertise and still support the family’s demands.
Fair enough. I have no criticism for people whose employers are forcing it on employees. I blame the employers there. But the OP didn't sound like one of the reluctant.
There was a good moment where I thought it wouldn’t come for my org but here I am.
Not saying the tech doesn’t have merit but if you’re not blasting the slop cannon constantly and praising Dario for the pleasure, you’re on the list.
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#96We're in a dangerous valley where AI is _just_ good enough to fool some otherwise very smart people. Similar to the old adage of "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing." Lots of CEOs got duped into thinking that model capabilities were far ahead of where they actually were. I'm actually not sure if we're going to get out of the valley without figuring out a surefire way to reliably evaluate these things.
It's all boils down to the same problem: A smart programmer who enjoys optimizing something that's not on the hot path: developer velocity.
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#97The cost issue is real, but the solution isn't less AI such as the solution for cloud costs is not less cloud. You should choose the right model for each task. lack of knowledge by most people cause them to use frontier models for basically anything.
i just don't understand this thinking
I am seeing people use it to write emails and messages on IM lol
People with existing skills can supercharger their dev output with AI. But it looks like everyone just goes up for vibe coding
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#98I'm so frustrated by both the zealous AI bulls and the blind AI opposition. There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the…
Nuance has been completely lost on our society. If it doesn't spark immediate outrage or joy it has no place in our attention economy. I really wish this wasn't the case and I'm not sure how we can reverse it. Most people just aren't interested in the 'balanced takes' because it's just not exciting enough it seems sadly.
Nuance simply gets overwhelmed by repetition.
The most recent opinion forming narrarive Ive been seeing repeated endlessly on this topic is about some supposed "split" in programmers between those who "enjoy the process" and those who "want the outcome".
It is very carefully designed to miss the point and is some quite clever propaganda - it presupposes that the outcome is the same without directly stating it and implies that skeptics are dinosaurs without needing to be too direct about it.
Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets
#99I'm so frustrated by both the zealous AI bulls and the blind AI opposition. There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the…
But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. The issue is not that AIs are useless. It's that they are objectively worse at the job (except apparently programming[1]), than a cheaper, entry-level worker on their first week still learning how to do the job, even though nearly a trillion dollars has been spent on them by this point. The worker gets sub…
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#100I remember back when ChatGPT first came out, there was an article on HN about this AI researcher who worked for one of the big companies (I think Google) who came to believe the model was truly intelligent and that it was being abused by being locked in the machine. We all laughed as the guy had clearly lost his mind to AI psychosis. What we didn’t realize is he may have been patient zero. This is the delusion that w…
It's a really strange time in that I use a bunch of AI and am really excited about the product capabilities, and yet I feel way less AI pilled than all my friends and coworkers.