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Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by OisinMoran »

usernametaken29 wrote: post #46
kombookcha wrote: post #12

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Weird! I wonder if there is some exponential complexity going on. More neural pathways leaving more stuff that can potentially break from an uneven freeze/thaw? Or is it literally that the freezing and thawing can't happen evenly when you're too big? A brief transistional period with unfrozen outsides and frozen solid insides is probably not great for you.

> Or is it literally that the freezing and thawing can't happen evenly when you're too big? This. You literally can’t evaporate all the thawing agent out of the blood of the organism without substantial burns by sheer volume

Hmm I wonder if some kind of beamforming would work? I think that's what the Miele Dialog uses to enable you to cook a fish while it remains in a frozen block of ice

https://www.miele.ie/c/revolutionary-excellence-1425.htm

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by jstanley »

munksbeer wrote: post #90
kakacik wrote: post #88

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If you are a loving parent, all that crap you list is utterly irrelevant. I don't think I need to list in details why.

It sounds like you are speaking to someone who has actually experienced this and you have not. Trying to be civil here, I'll phrase it like this: Try not to be so judgemental over a keyboard when you have no experience to speak from. Life is complicated.

The experience could easily run the other way around, you are doing the same thing you criticise.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by SXX »

ekianjo wrote: post #51
qnleigh wrote: post #11

That is incredible. 2.5 hours underwater, 1.5 hours of CPR. They were instructed not to start rewarming him until he could be given more comprehensive treatment at a hospital. They list 'death' as a differential diagnosis... He didn't come out unscathed though. They describe his progress: > At 6-month follow-up, he was giving short commands, standing without support, riding a tricycle, eating soft foods, and relearni…

at this age the chances of continuous improvement are probably decent

More interesting question is what actual memory retention is in such a situation, but that not disclosed in a paper.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

munksbeer wrote: post #90
kakacik wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are a loving parent, all that crap you list is utterly irrelevant. I don't think I need to list in details why.

It sounds like you are speaking to someone who has actually experienced this and you have not. Trying to be civil here, I'll phrase it like this: Try not to be so judgemental over a keyboard when you have no experience to speak from. Life is complicated.

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway356356 wrote: post #87
theturtlemoves wrote: post #19

I'd be curious to read about 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 year follow-up. Party pooper warning. I'm afraid I don't have rose tinted glasses, due to personal experience with a family member with TBI (accident at age 16, 3 weeks in a coma). The aftereffects are profoundly destabilizing to his environment. I sometimes have quite a dark view of people's need to be a rescuer and celebrate the "alive!", when they don't have to deal wit…

One of my children nearly drowned in the bathtub. She was already unconscious and floating on the water. She had stopped breathing. My wife (who was sitting only 3 meters away in the living room and had talked to her the minutes before) revived her. She made a full recovery in the hospital. I agree in principle. But: the aftereffects of nearly losing a child were already quite destabilizing to us, and still are, afte…

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #85
osigurdson wrote: post #34

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While I don't know, I suspect the boy's parents do not share your views. He is able to ride a tricycle and improving.

Neither of us knows. That's the difficult bit in topics like these. None of us is psychic and can tell what'll happen next. Will he be happy and healthy? Or will he have anger issues, meltdowns or exhibit destructive behavior to himself and surrounding loved ones due to neurological damage? We always hope for the best. I hope the boy recovers well. But there are no guarantees in life.

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by spacedoutman »

lynx97 wrote: post #55
spacedoutman wrote: post #22

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I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Would you be willing to share more details, instead of this rather vague claim? I've had three at least 2 hour long operations last year. I kind of wondered if I'd notice any aftereffects, but apparently didn't. Even waking up was pretty uneventful, consciousness just coming back like a light bulb being turned on again. So either I am an exception, or your "everyone I know" needs qualification. In any case, I'd be ve…

For me and others(in my circle with operations, 5) the waking up part is multiple hours of a drugged feeling, like you really aren't on the same planet anymore.

Currently have a family member in hospital and 4 days later they are still dealing with the effects.

I assume this is probably a regional/country issue, australian public hospitals are pretty sub-standard.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by spacedoutman »

jimmymcgee73 wrote: post #50
spacedoutman wrote: post #22

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I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Anesthesiologist here: what you are referring to exists, but is rare and is not related to general anesthesia (equally likely in operations performed while patients are awake with regional anesthesia or under general anesthesia). It is more people with pre-existing cognitive dysfunction that are elderly do not handle the inflammatory milieu generated by surgery. You can Google “postoperative cognitive dysfunction” fo…

I know its not meant to be common, but literally everyone i know that has had to go under woke up not the same person anymore.

Honestly, i doubt its as rare as you think.

My bet is just poor training in my country.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Post by spacedoutman »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #28
spacedoutman wrote: post #22

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I have a similar view on general anesthesia now, everyone i know(including myself) that has had operations have been permanently affected by anesthesia. Turning yourself off breaks far more than doctors realize i fear.

Could you elaborate on specific effects?

Lots of replies to this comment so i won't reply to everyone.

brain fogs, migraines/headaches, memory problems. sudden attitude changes, lifestyle changes. divorces from a partner suddenly hating everything about the other partner. fatigue, mental fatigue. Just to name a few.

Not everyone i know has the same issues, some are worse then others. If its so rare i don't see how everyone in my small circle all got permanent side effects.

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