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The AI Hate Progression

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Re: The AI Hate Progression

#91

I, and everyone in my social circle, go out of our way to not touch anything that was had AI significantly involved in the creation process. Hypocritically, I use AI a lot at work. I see it as using it a lot more than I am paying for, to actively sink OpenAI/Claud's bottom line. I have a coworker that does the same. His logic was sound -- when something is heavily subsidized, abuse it.

Your work is using personal subscriptions? If not a corporate client is probably paying per token via the API and you're just feeding money to them not sinking their bottom line.

Personal sub.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#92

I have a coworker that irrationally hated ai too. He says something about how his daughter and friends' hobby is jailbreaking ai. We have a product used in call centers. It turns out ai is amazing in triaging (surveying) people. We can ask a question in English and if they respond n another language (any language) the ai will switch to that language, ask its questions, and then give us the answers in English. This wa…

Maybe the call centers should hire more people able to speak in those foreign languages. I know, paying people for work? Crazy idea.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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post #30

I mean, the author is mad something is popular and calls it psychosis. Which, all things being equal, is balanced out by nay sayers time and time again. Is not posting a lengthy rant online and sharing it not a form of "psychosis" when viewed from people that like the new technology? But he lost me at "As it exists right now, I don't give a toss what good it can do, what practical benefits it has once the techbros mo…

Hold your horses there. Organic popularity and ubiquity due to aggressive-bordering-on-psychotic tech industry hype are not the same thing.

I don't know, I see plenty of organic interest growing out there. Even from people who are against it when they see how it can benefit them. It's just a tool that increases productivity at a rate we haven't experienced in a long time. It isn't a shock that it is hyped.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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> At some point, the entire tech industry saw ChatGPT and fell into a collective psychosis and decided that this, this is the next big thing, and that we must pull out the stops to ensure the prophecy is fulfilled of generative AI/LLMs becoming the next big thing. This is extremely disingenuous, ChatGPT was the fastest-growing consumer product for a reason. Part hype, part usefulness, part novelty. The main problem I…

IMO the author absolutely nails it. Yes, it might not be the most nuanced take, but they express what many of us are thinking.

> Google and Yahoo and even DDG have been using copyrighted data for a quarter century, if not longer.

Your argument boils down to: companies haven't respected copyright or user consent for a long time, so why should we now care?

The answer is: it was wrong back then and it is still wrong now, but on a completely different scale! We have reached a tipping point where many people are (rightfully) furious.

> Consent was gone when Google, Yahoo, etc. started indexing the entire internet.

People do not have a problem with Google indexing the web because they want their websites to be found. That's the entire purpose of putting stuff out on the internet. AI is now doing the opposite: traffic is directed to chatbots and platforms are flooded with AI slop.

As you said, people were already complaining when Google started to show their own summaries, preventing users from visiting the original sources. People have been complaining about Facebook drowning the frontpage with clickbait. But this time it is so much worse.

Sure, LLMs can be useful, but on the other hand the potential for abuse is humongous. People are already seeing the negative consequences and they are rightfully angry.

> Come up with an interesting point or thought-provoking counter-argument and maybe people will take you seriously.

I do think that the author made a good point by bringing up the issue of consent. We are now in a situation where I can't post anything online without AI companies possibly scraping the content and feeding it into their models without any attribution or permission. And there is no way of opting out. Don't you see a problem with that? Why should we not care?

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#95

It's funny how worked up people get about copyright with respect to to AI training when using copyrighted material for training an AI model is fair use. We have a concept of fair use in copyright because economic growth is essentially tied to the free proliferation of information. I can't really trust any anti-AI argument when it feels more of a tribal grievance than a rational explanation of concern. Especially with…

> It's funny how worked up people get about copyright with respect to to AI training when using copyrighted material for training an AI model is fair use

Personally I disagree with the finding that it is fair use. I think the fact that it was found to be fair use is a miscarriage of justice. Am I allowed to have dissenting opinions on that topic?

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#96
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More or less our approach here too. They offered to help with our work at a loss for themselves, why not take them up on it? Not necessarily to hurt the AI labs, but just because we'd be foolish not to take something offered at such a discount.

Right. Exactly. I'd be a fool to refuse that first free hit of heroin.

All of the American workforce will feel it when that 'heroin' stops flowing.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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> At some point, the entire tech industry saw ChatGPT and fell into a collective psychosis and decided that this, this is the next big thing, and that we must pull out the stops to ensure the prophecy is fulfilled of generative AI/LLMs becoming the next big thing. This is extremely disingenuous, ChatGPT was the fastest-growing consumer product for a reason. Part hype, part usefulness, part novelty. The main problem I…

>The main problem I have with AI haters (just like AI lovers) is that they can't just be balanced about their takes.

Come on. The author's take, while maybe not flawless, is far more balanced than the equivalent AI-hype-man take. All of your criticisms are not charitable.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#98

Just a reminder that only the west hates AI. China has 87% of the populace viewing AI favorably. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/11/19/trust-in-ai-far...

Maybe because in China they have a functioning government that enacted laws protecting workers against AI job displacement, while in the west we have shithead CEOs screaming "AI is coming for your job, like it or not" and companies laying off thousands of people with AI washing.

Just a wild guess

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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post #81
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google started indexing copyrighted data without consent in 1999, Yahoo in 1994. Absolute delusion to think that ChatGPT is the one that broke consent.

I think there really is a fair difference between pure indexing and reoffering. I also don't think the way Google currently operates is still anywhere close to pure indexing - programs of theirs like amp and the news tab specifically deny sites visitors instead of their site serving as a visibility boost. I am sure there are people who'd object to even being indexed but most niche communities were pretty rabid about…

> I think there really is a fair difference between pure indexing and reoffering.

Following the same logic, is there a fair difference between pure training and reoffering?

> I am sure there are people who'd object to even being indexed but most niche communities were pretty rabid about getting more visibility to find more members.

Here the logic seems to be: it's OK as long as they derive some kind of benefit from it to look past it.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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post #70

No one is "forcing" you to use AI. If you don't like it, then... Don't use it. And if you're right that it's all a bunch of cryptobro NFT lies that offers nothing to the world, you'll be fine and well-positioned once it goes away.

Even if you don't use AI, you still have to deal with all the other people who do.
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