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Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#91

Post by joshstrange »

I have Hermes on my list of things to try but I've been massively underwhelmed by both NanoClaw and OpenClaw.

Both of them broke on me and were maddening to try and debug. I'd get them working then 1-2 days later send a message and get no reply. I went round and round with OpenClaw (seriously, "openclaw doctor" is a sick joke) before finally nuking the VM.

I want the simplest of things: Claude Code + My Obsidian Vault. That's it. I didn't even add other MCPs or Skills, I tried using Nano/OpenClaw and they both just fell over after a couple days.

I'm probably best served by just vibecoding my own tool since these things try to be too many things to too many people and end up failing.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#92

Post by Imustaskforhelp »

pkulak wrote: post #81
Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I tried OpenClaw, but holy smokes, that project is bigger than Postrgres. All I want is a Pi session I can put on a server and load up with skills, that I can chat with over matrix. To that end, I found this amazing project called OpenCrow. It's aggressively DM chat, and I wanted support for group chats (so it can be a household helper), so I forked* it and made it exactly what I want. Now I actually have two persona…

This is a genuinely interesting project. Thanks for sharing it for what its worth, I think it fits my definition of minimalist for the most part.

Do you have anything for pi in general as well? I have currently tried out oh-my-pi and (well previously opencode) and I know about https://zot.sh for something completely in golang and also https://maki.sh/ both of which are created by another HN user.

I have found projects created by frequent HN users (in terms of how much they interact with the site) to be genuinely useful/interesting within this space as compared to complete hype. I might bet there to be a very significant overlap and thus, it might be a good filter for these AI projects.

Now aside from this one of the things that I want is I have found opencode + obra/superpowers to be a bit token intensive but its much more hands driven development and the AI doesn't completely go amok. I basically just want to replicate something like this either in pi or rust/golang alternative of it as well and then to use it completely with mobile phone as a means of interaction using say matrix protocol. (Optionally: I have glm 5.2 previous coding subscription where the rate limits is actually 5 hour rolling window rather than weekly so I would like to make it re-run/continue automatically after the 5 hour window on a project just continously to build on the side to use those tokens and just building something in an AFK fashion.)

This might be my ideal workflow, Given that Pi is extensible, I think that Opencrow/your fork of it can be useful in one of the pieces of this ideal workflow. I'd be genuinely curious as it wasn't until quite recently that I went from my minimalist model of defaults to customizations/skills.md and I am just dabbling on different levels of complexity to find out what makes the right sense of having complexity towards on.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#93

Post by goobatrooba »

atemerev wrote: post #33
Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I tried to make mine as human-like as possible, with self-reflection, episodic memory / hippocampus, emotional tagging etc. If you prefer talking to a person, not a tool, you can take a look at https://lethe.gg/ (open source, written in Rust, hosted version available).

Sounds like an interesting project but the copywriting is not clear how the 20$ and using different models interact. Does the hosted version come with credits or a model included?

And is the only way to interact telegram? I see the simple appeal but why send everything through a russian app?

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#94

Post by deadbabe »

ransom1538 wrote: post #54
jacobgold wrote: post #51

What are you automating with OpenClaw in June, 2026? I used OpenClaw -> Hermes -> my own thing now. I've got things like code review, email inbox/spam filtering, website monitoring for bad links/typos, HN/Bluesky notifications, favorite director/actors/author alerts, etc. I mostly interact with them using Slack and Email.

I don't understand people running OpenClaw. I just full shot a prompt to create a better clone. Its extremely custom to my work and flow. I use it as a personal agent, emails, slacks + as a hardcore coding agent. If it sees a problem in email it will create a ticket, assign it to an agent monitor progress, get a PR ready for me - then it harasses me until I review the PR. If I ignore the PR it will call my wife. It c…

You can build your own, but it won’t give you social currency the way it does when you just tell people “Yea I use OpenClaw”. They already know OpenClaw and what it’s about so you instantly gain rapport vs having to explain your custom agent system that they will doubt is better than OpenClaw and probably write you off as a crank.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#95

Post by rrvsh »

pkulak wrote: post #81
Multiplayer wrote: post #20

My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…

I tried OpenClaw, but holy smokes, that project is bigger than Postrgres. All I want is a Pi session I can put on a server and load up with skills, that I can chat with over matrix. To that end, I found this amazing project called OpenCrow. It's aggressively DM chat, and I wanted support for group chats (so it can be a household helper), so I forked* it and made it exactly what I want. Now I actually have two persona…

Dendritic flake! Love to see it. Curious though, if you just import the default.nix and the default.nix imports everything, why not just import everything in modules/ and hosts/?

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#96

Post by jauntywundrkind »

I cant wait to see what the new OpenCode plugin system looks like. I'm hoping that it allows us to get somewhat in-depth with the Effect.ts underpinnings. There's so much potential here. There also needs to be some real ability to shape/drive/control the loop, where-as right now, plugins tend to be more augmentative, rather than able to contribute to steering. Those are two huge barriers, and I realize OpenCode is thought of as a coding tool, but conceptually these loop systems seem not really so far apart.

The purpose of these systems is not to be a system, it's to be a platform/substrate for agency expansion. Whoever can best expose their capabilities (without having to many tattering detractors) is ultimately going to be the winner.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#97

Post by ChadMoran »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #84
ChadMoran wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One success case doesn't prove the comment you responded to isn't true.

It literally does though? GP said they'd never seen anyone achieve anything interesting. The person you're replying to said they know someone who closed a few deals as a result of their OpenClaw. How is that not interesting? It doesn't prove that it's globally useful, well implemented, or even worth the cost/effort. But it is something interesting.

You know what, you're right. Somehow between reading the parent comment and this one, I forgot the details of it. My mistake.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#98

Post by Yiin »

goobatrooba wrote: post #93
atemerev wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to make mine as human-like as possible, with self-reflection, episodic memory / hippocampus, emotional tagging etc. If you prefer talking to a person, not a tool, you can take a look at https://lethe.gg/ (open source, written in Rust, hosted version available).

Sounds like an interesting project but the copywriting is not clear how the 20$ and using different models interact. Does the hosted version come with credits or a model included? And is the only way to interact telegram? I see the simple appeal but why send everything through a russian app?

Russia would love for telegram to be Russian app, unfortunately for them, there is nothing to suggest that's the case as plenty of examples why it's not (one being that tg is banned in Russia)

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#99

Post by pkulak »

rrvsh wrote: post #95
pkulak wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried OpenClaw, but holy smokes, that project is bigger than Postrgres. All I want is a Pi session I can put on a server and load up with skills, that I can chat with over matrix. To that end, I found this amazing project called OpenCrow. It's aggressively DM chat, and I wanted support for group chats (so it can be a household helper), so I forked* it and made it exactly what I want. Now I actually have two persona…

Dendritic flake! Love to see it. Curious though, if you just import the default.nix and the default.nix imports everything, why not just import everything in modules/ and hosts/?

Hmmm... not sure I understand. My setup recursively imports every default.nix in modules and hosts. About that... I don't have a really great defense. It's how the little template I started out with did it. :D I do like it though.

Re: Migrate from OpenClaw

#100

Post by noufalibrahim »

dostick wrote: post #87
pythonaut_16 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally does though? GP said they'd never seen anyone achieve anything interesting. The person you're replying to said they know someone who closed a few deals as a result of their OpenClaw. How is that not interesting? It doesn't prove that it's globally useful, well implemented, or even worth the cost/effort. But it is something interesting.

But did you notice that all such success stories is someone automated marketing or generation of slop content?

Yes. That is an insight but then again, most marketing emails were templatised slop1.0 from mailchimp and other sites. This just makes it slicker. So, I'm not sure.
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