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The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Dario (of Mythos): "Companies we gave it to said – this is a super weapon. you should have to own a gun license to use it. please don't release this" Mythos is clearly dual use (and automatically subject to export controls), even if Anthropic didn’t understand what that means. Yes this administration can be capricious and hyperpartisan. This isn’t one of those cases.

Mythos and Fable are not the same model.

Right and so they need to work out whether nerfed Mythos is dual use. I doubt that it should be, can’t wait to have it back as soon as possible.

In the near future we may have a flippening where new models appear first on GovCloud (today it’s six months behind)

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

#92

its very real, chinese capital is being intertwined/injected into all facet of south korean society through its own domestic companies and politicians.

Do you have credible evidence to support this claim? Although China is Korea's largest trading partner and numerous Chinese nationals work as foreign laborers in Korea, most are engaged in unskilled manual labor, and very few become knowledge workers or significant business partners. (Conversely, numerous Koreans operate businesses in China.) Those who claim that China exerts political influence over Korea are mostly Korean versions of MAGA.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

#93

its very real, chinese capital is being intertwined/injected into all facet of south korean society through its own domestic companies and politicians.

Do you have credible evidence to support this claim? Although China is Korea's largest trading partner and numerous Chinese nationals work as foreign laborers in Korea, most are engaged in unskilled manual labor, and very few become knowledge workers or significant business partners. (Conversely, numerous Koreans operate businesses in China.) Those who claim that China exerts political influence over Korea are mostly…

your claim that Chinese influence in South Korea is merely a MAGA conspiracy theory ignores the substantial economic and corporate reality on the ground, and inaccurately projects an irrelevant American political divide onto Korean geopolitics. In Korea, wariness of Chinese influence is a broad, bipartisan issue.

there are many Chinese manual laborers in Korea, Chinese capital has also been heavily integrated into top-tier Korean tech firms and conglomerates. For example, Tencent is one of the largest shareholders in Korea's biggest gaming and tech companies, holding massive stakes in Kakao, Netmarble, and Krafton, while recently attempting to acquire major stakes in Nexon and Kakao Mobility. To say they are rarely 'significant business partners' is factually incorrect. This is just the tip of the iceberg the portfolio of Chinese capital is diverse and expands across media including JTBC which has been pushing very pro-beijing and anti-american view in particular framing the current bipartisan wariness of China as "far right MAGA" exactly as you typed. lee Jae-myung administration which generally leans more toward Beijing has to carefully navigate. Non-partisan groups like Pew Research consistently report that roughly 80% of South Koreans hold an unfavorable view of China making it one of the highest in the world. Notably, Pew also found that South Korea is unique in that its younger generation holds more negative views of China than its older generation the exact opposite demographic makeup of the US MAGA movement.

Dismissing these well-documented geopolitical and economic realities as a fringe talking point simply doesn't reflect the situation on the ground in South Korea and this is why I ask,

are you really Korean and how come you don't know these basic facts? a quick search in Korean would reveal numerous articles that back up China's capital deployment in South Korea especially in sensitive areas.

you can't really fault Koreans for their wariness, many Chinese pretend to be Korean online/offline without good intentions. I can tell you that this is only going to end in violence and more discrimination against Chinese in Korea and people who don't even support CCP are going to be impacted.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

#94

Many of us know coders and cybersecurity professionals who are even better than Claude Fable or Mythos. It's outstanding how much praise and careful consideration it gets. At the same time, humans with even more expertise are discarded and fired.

> Many of us know coders and cybersecurity professionals who are even better than Claude Fable or Mythos.

Like who ? I find your statement to be doubtfyl

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

#95
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What does that have to do with investment? OP didn't say "don't integrate American tech company products into your workflow". Say what one will about the current state of America, it's still a solid place to dump money in hopes of returns.

Yeah, countries ruled at whim by unstable governments tends to not be great for "dump money in hopes of return" but who am I to stop anyone, make your own informed decision.

It’s got a fair way to fall.

All things are relative.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

#96
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If you check my post history, I'm very left-leaning. I'm just establishment-left+woke (i.e., liberal) rather than populist-left+socialist, and Wired is populist-left. I'm the kind of person who actually likes Obama, for example. It's actually unfortunate, because a not very credible publication writing about the vile behavior of the Trump administration (including Elon Musk personally literally killing hundreds of th…

“Elon Musk personally literally killing hundreds of thousands of children” What’s that high quality news source you got that one from?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/09/opinion/foreign-aid-cuts....

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/opinion/elon-musk-doge-us...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/05/opinion/usaid-spending-tr...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/19/opinion/foreign-aid-cuts-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/08/us/bill-gates-elon-musk-k...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/05/28/rubio-aid...

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Do you have credible evidence to support this claim? Although China is Korea's largest trading partner and numerous Chinese nationals work as foreign laborers in Korea, most are engaged in unskilled manual labor, and very few become knowledge workers or significant business partners. (Conversely, numerous Koreans operate businesses in China.) Those who claim that China exerts political influence over Korea are mostly…

your claim that Chinese influence in South Korea is merely a MAGA conspiracy theory ignores the substantial economic and corporate reality on the ground, and inaccurately projects an irrelevant American political divide onto Korean geopolitics. In Korea, wariness of Chinese influence is a broad, bipartisan issue. there are many Chinese manual laborers in Korea, Chinese capital has also been heavily integrated into to…

I said this precisely because I am Korean and have been working in the IT industry right here in Korea. How many Chinese people do you think work at Naver, Kakao, Carrot, and Baemin in Korea? (Coupang might be an exception. I have often heard colleagues from Coupang badmouth the Chinese people there.) I have never worked in the Bay Area, and I only know about the US software industry through this site, but it is certain that a much higher proportion of Chinese people work in the IT industry there. (The biggest reason for this is actually that they need to speak Korean to work in Korea.)

Just as there are many young people on MAGA, there are also many young Koreans who are caught up in right-wing conspiracy theories. The fact that they are 'concerned' is not proof that China is actually exerting influence over Korean IT companies and society as a whole. There is a significant difference between making foreign investments and infiltration.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Microsoft had it worse. Bill Gates was openly hostile and dismissive of the US government during Microsoft's anti-trust investigation, he believed anti-trust law was illegitimate and shouldn't apply to tech companies. He did not take the investigation seriously and repeatedly argued with investigators in his court deposition. In response, Microsoft got raked over the coals by the government, the company was almost br…

Microsoft had it worse because Gates was a megalomaniac who was so self-absorbed he didn't understand he was supposed to bribe via "donations". Tech companies all learned the same as other sectors; it's more profitable to have lobbyists greasing the wheels of corrupt politicians from the get go, and "donate" to their success for a lifetime of consultation and quid pro quo. This is also why all virtues signaled by cor…

That's such a bad state of existence for people within that Government. How could anything be improved by new companies from now on? A corrupt government would never make bribes illegal, but a scrum style bribe-outcome management could become measured and used publicly? No idea where all this goes..

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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> keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can this is the antithesis of a tech company whether it is VC funded or not, but especially if it is. you don't attract new users by laying low. you don't attract investors by laying low. laying low isn't even in a tech company's vocab.

I think they meant keep a low profile from the government, not customers. Anthropic is doing the opposite by loudly asking for regulation.

In a world where the government has been turned into a massive customer of last resort and the game is a kind of first past the post of government capture, that’s simply not a game they can avoid, even if they’ve also been committing unforced errors.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

They should’ve kept their distance from the government as long as they could don’t volunteer to be helpful. Don’t volunteer to go meet with politicians keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can. Nothing good comes with associating with them. Have a legal department trained to be the buffer between you and the government any contact any questions goes through them and since you’re paying them a ton of mone…

> They should’ve kept their distance from the government

Can they do it if they have anything of value for that government? Eventually the government comes knocking and they have to say "no". Depending on who's in power the response can range from "fine, no lucrative contracts for you" to "you shall pay through your teeth for this". By the time you win a legal battle, which is not guaranteed with a captured justice system, the damage was done and a lesson was learned.

It's like saying no to the mob (today the comparison is as apt as it gets). You get your knees bent the wrong way, and someone else gets the payoff.

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