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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by antonvs »

teravor wrote: post #88
jmyeet wrote: post #12

The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

> It's why we can't buy BYD cars are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact that those cars are very heavy, potentially fire-making (battery firmware) computers on wheels that can be rooted (or are already) at any time by their manufacturers in China?

> potentially fire-making (battery firmware) computers on wheels

Is Tesla any different?

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by cultofmetatron »

epolanski wrote: post #32
jmyeet wrote: post #12

The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

Chinese have a wider outlook on it. Politically they believe AI belongs to humanity, which is why they are basically the only ones left publishing research in the open. That's probably part of their socialist nature. But also a financial one. They believe that models are commodities, that you can swap one for the other and that the only thing that matters are the applications built upon them. So they want to make sur…

realisticaly, the united states has no right or moral authority when it comes to human rights or rule of law given the last few years. given that, the admonishment of china's human rights violations against uighurs run hollow and hypocritical.

just happy to have more models that I could eventually play with if hardware ever becomes cheaper.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by throwway120385 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #85
MaxPock wrote: post #73

Becoming such a sore loser. Historians will probably look this as the most shameful period of the American empire.

Gonna skip over the chattel slavery and native genocide in future histories?

Or that time that we parked an army on the Rio Grande because a bunch of people from the US decided to settle in the Mexican territory of Texas? That was a whole thing and the President of the US at the time, James K. Polk, ran on a platform of "Manifest Destiny" -- that the US should span "from sea to shining sea." There were a whole host of other countries with interest in that territory, not to mention the Indian tribes who would be displaced by that policy. The US has had a lot of dark periods in our history, and we shouldn't let those periods displace us from the moral certainty we derive from the Declaration of Independence and things like The Bill of Rights.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by ceejayoz »

CPLX wrote: post #83
theevilsharpie wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We used to do that too from the late 1930's to the late 1970's, which is why we were the dominant industrial power in the world at that time as well. I think there's another world event that happened in that time span that might better explain America's world-wide industrial dominance.

You're confusing cause and effect.

No, they're not.

Europe was devastated and bankrupt. Asia was devastated and bankrupt.

The US mainland was untouched. It had a massive leg up against the competition.

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Post by CPLX »

ceejayoz wrote: post #86
CPLX wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't think industrial capacity is relevant to geopolitical power then I don't think we're really having a serious conversation here.

> If you don't think industrial capacity is relevant to geopolitical power… Of course it is! But so does the quality of what that capacity puts out. Again, the Russians found that out in Ukraine.

What does the Russian economy have to do with anything? First off, they're run by a kleptocratic oligarchy, and second of all they're still one of the top 5 most militarily powerful countries in the world. I don't even know what point you're making? Did they bail out Chrysler? Which side of the analogy are they even on?

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by heyheyhouhou »

jmyeet wrote: post #12

The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

I'm happy that China is doing that. US cannot be trusted anymore.

Not saying that China can be trusted either, but I think having more actors is better for all of us.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by trunnell »

What an amazing achievement by America's adversaries.

The Trump administration lists Anthropic as a security risk and kneecaps its best model, despite the fact that compared to the other frontier US labs Anthropic is more transparent, more safety-oriented, frequently honest to a fault, and is clearly acting with patriotic intent.

Meanwhile, the same administration is hesitating to counter certain Chinese companies' efforts of industrial-scale theft and sabotage due to a fear of angering the CCP!

This administration has it exactly backwards. 4.5 months until election day, 7 months until the next Congress is sworn in.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by teravor »

antonvs wrote: post #91
teravor wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's why we can't buy BYD cars are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact that those cars are very heavy, potentially fire-making (battery firmware) computers on wheels that can be rooted (or are already) at any time by their manufacturers in China?

> potentially fire-making (battery firmware) computers on wheels Is Tesla any different?

    > Is Tesla any different?
if you are adversary of the US and the possibility of a hot conflict with it exists, it is not.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by ceejayoz »

CPLX wrote: post #95
ceejayoz wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't think industrial capacity is relevant to geopolitical power… Of course it is! But so does the quality of what that capacity puts out. Again, the Russians found that out in Ukraine.

What does the Russian economy have to do with anything? First off, they're run by a kleptocratic oligarchy, and second of all they're still one of the top 5 most militarily powerful countries in the world. I don't even know what point you're making? Did they bail out Chrysler? Which side of the analogy are they even on?

> What does the Russian economy have to do with anything?

They had more of that industrial capacity you're talking about than Ukraine, more tanks, more armaments, more weaponry.

It still didn't let them win. Because the quality matters too.

> First off, they're run by a kleptocratic oligarchy…

I have some awkward news about the US in recent years.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by hgoel »

wbl wrote: post #65
krunck wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. I think that has more to do with controlling narratives that the USG doesn't like.

Ever see a tiktok about may 35?

Why should that mean that Americans should prefer that TikTok restrict narratives unfavoraroble to American oligarchs?
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