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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by Isamu »

xg15 wrote: post #73
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

I think this is part of an anti-climate change agenda, which is about protecting fossil fuel investments. Not sure that it is broadly anti-science, except maybe in the sense of being against public funding broadly.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by burkaman »

anon_shill wrote: post #74
mullingitover wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no point in spending taxpayer money understanding what may or may not happen in the future, when we already know what will happen: Jesus is coming back. We need to spend on the military for the final battle of Armageddon. ^ Literally the beliefs of the most influential part of the political base of the administration.

Is this from Bannon and co.? What is their rationale for being militaristic during a return of Jesus? Wouldn't Jesus not like that very much?

There is no way to know what Jesus would or wouldn't like. Most religious people interpret their chosen text in whatever way best fits their preferences and lifestyle. In this case, they like war, so that means Jesus also likes war: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-ir.... It is trivial to find Bible verses supporting war if that's what you're looking for: https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-....

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

anon_shill wrote: post #74
mullingitover wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no point in spending taxpayer money understanding what may or may not happen in the future, when we already know what will happen: Jesus is coming back. We need to spend on the military for the final battle of Armageddon. ^ Literally the beliefs of the most influential part of the political base of the administration.

Is this from Bannon and co.? What is their rationale for being militaristic during a return of Jesus? Wouldn't Jesus not like that very much?

I don't think they literally believe it. They ostensibly espouse this for political purposes, but it doesn't appear they believe in any permanent objective or thing other than their own power and profit.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by throwawaypath »

morkalork wrote: post #85
pesus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually coming out of the military budget? I assumed we were just going to get taxed for it, or they'd pull it from some other places that actually needs the funds. Alternatively, they could just increase the military budget by 300 billion (or more).

It's a good measure of scale. The USA is paying Iran an amount that is 1/3rd of its military budget in reparations because they "won".

No, that was fake news. The 300 billion dollars isn't coming from the US.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by fhdkweig »

xg15 wrote: post #73
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

Studying the ocean temperatures verifies that climate change is not a hoax. "He" is making money off fossil fuels. That is enough of a reason for being anti-science. This is the same guy that decided that the COVID numbers would go down if we just stopped measuring them. Burying his head in the sand is his go-to solution for all problems.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by gyanchawdhary »

skeledrew wrote: post #35

It's a leveled playing field now. No more pesky "I can provide data that shows..." to stand in the way of making things GREAT AGAIN. All arguments' strength rely on how much money is backing each, which is what makes all things GREAT. Facts are what those with power want it to be, not what some young upstarts claim from reading some machines. And that, again, is GREATNESS!!

100% !

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by sulam »

waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Unfortunately as a resident of the SF Bay Area, calling my elected representative is next to useless. :/

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by adithyareddy »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #77

I understand the present US administration would want to stop funding this, and that they have the power to do so. I don't understand how that has led to the sensor network being dismantled. Surely it would have been cheaper to leave it in place and stop maintaining it?

It's not about the cost, it's about ideology. Same reason they've paid nearly $2 billion in taxpayer funds to energy developers to abandon offshore wind farm projects. The point isn't to save money, it's to stop green energy projects, which is an ideological goal. If their decisions don't make sense to you it's because you're not viewing them through their ideological lens.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by lm2s »

jordanb wrote: post #49
bbbrad wrote: post #4

Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

Because they're Woke sensors that are collecting woke lies about the Chinese Climate Change Hoax of course. Also Accuweather paid a lot of money for this president and they are very interested in not having the US government compete against them with free, high-quality weather forecasting.

Now this would be more credible to me.
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