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EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by joe_mamba »

dgellow wrote: post #84
joe_mamba wrote: post #7

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>EU will be wise to make that happen on their terms, but they do not seem to be ready. It's too late for this. The time to execute this was 20 years ago when EU had leverage (the EU stock market was bigger than the US one in 2004, now it's half). Now that leverage is gone and EU is bogged down with massive domestic issues it can't recover from (some of which you mentioned), and starting a massive tech IP/trade war no…

Most of the issues you mentioned are more likely to be specific to you own country. The EU is pretty limited in what it can do due to Europe being so afraid to federate

> The EU is pretty limited in what it can do due

Thank god for that. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>do due to Europe being so afraid to federate

Why would they be afraid? Yugoslavia, USSR and any other time in history where you force similar but not really cultures under one central leadership, it ended up great in the end, they didn't fight or break up at all. So what's to be afraid of?

Yeah, why bother with that pesky democracy, freedom of speech and what each country wants when we can have a German like Ursula v.d Leyen be the supreme chancellor over the European Federal Reich and all of EU's problems will be gone, we'll have our own SV, our own SpaceX, it will be amazing, right? It will be uncle Adolf's dream come true.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by includenotfound »

dgellow wrote: post #80
includenotfound wrote: post #55

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Investing in the EU is like burning cash. Excessive regulation, high costs and taxes (especially of human labor), and investors get punished for creating and growing companies. Even if you overcome all of this and become successful, you'll get chased by politicians for having too much money (which is not allowed in the EU). And even if you don't, today, it will be tomorrow. Easier to just take a long haul flight to y…

We have billionaires too in the EU, they obviously aren’t chased by politicians… wtf are you talking about

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/10/super-rich-aba...

The rest who are not chased are usually deeply intertwined with politicians, and are running corruption schemes along them.

I'm not one to hate rich people (I'm a capitalist myself), but if any billionaires are to be looked at with skepticism, it's EU billionaires with significant political ties.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by includenotfound »

bot403 wrote: post #70
includenotfound wrote: post #57

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European politicians are subject to US's (and thus Trump's) orders. The "strong and deep statements" they release are cheap theater. The US is defending Europe through NATO. Until that changes, the EU will continue to be the US's slave.

I'm not really sure the US can be counted on to defend the EU via NATO anymore. They certainly gave up on Ukraine, which is grinding Russia down to the benefit of the EU and NATO.

That's what the propaganda would like to have you believe.

The RU/UA war was entirely orchestrated by the US. The "Russia will invade the EU" propaganda was useful to scare the EU population, so they'd accept issuing 800B of debt to "rearm Europe" (buying from and enriching American war companies). Debt that will be paid using EU taxpayer money of course.

The US government is using their own taxpayer money to buy weapons for Ukraine (money++ for politicians and their war company friends), and then they forced the EU to issue 800B of debt to further enrich their war company friends.

Why would the US defend the EU from the Russian invasion, with this insane war revenue?

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by lostmsu »

tzs wrote: post #89
alde wrote: post #86

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You are comparing cars to bicycles.

Are you referring to the services offered or just to the number of servers available?

Is there a difference? Does Hetzner offer an alternative to Bedrock (3yo, came out basically same year)?

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by monssooon »

root-parent wrote: post #85
dgellow wrote: post #82

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Can you even buy bus tickets via dbahn? Buses are local, they are different systems. FWIW you’re better off using the mobile apps than trying to use the machines

You are supposed to, and I managed only with the help of sending each screen to an LLM, while in English, but the English of the machines is broken. For example when it gets the moment to pay in German, there would be a link to pay, but it wont enable the pin machine because it says in English "pay via association". You have to be an half genius to understand they are referring in English, via a broken translation, t…

On yeah and they will give you a fine. The number of times I have been stopped by police for driving my bike (pedal bike, not motor or electric) in a criminal way!! Oh my, like not having enough lights on it. Or driving it 3 inches outside of the walking lines in denmark. Lol good job police. That is another thing we have in Europe bike stopping police... Lol it is hilarious... But the size of the fine is not. I had to pay around 200 dollars for not following the little lines on the road.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by gls2ro »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #31

This is a wake up call for EU, but it’s already too late IMO. ChatGPT was launched in 2022 and since then only company in EU which has released a model that is even closer to a frontiers is Mistral. With strong data protection, copyright and privacy laws, it would be a nightmare for any company to train models because activists lawyers would sue left and right. Even by some miracle they come up with the model, again…

Not sure how to phrase this and it matters where are you living - in Europe or elsewhere - but I think when looking at things like EU or other military or economical alliances we should not use terms "it is already too late". You dont know that until the current era is over so I think if you want to think deeply about this you should use longer threads with more nuances.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by gls2ro »

root-parent wrote: post #69
fvdessen wrote: post #65

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> In most EU countries if your company went bankrupt, you are not allowed to open another one. Think about that for a little bit. That's just completely false but ok. There's even a EU regulation to ensure the exact opposite: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=legissum...

You dont have a clue, and are showing EU regulations made by funcionaires that most countries simply ignore. Here is an example of the current situation in Luxembourg for example, where the EU Court is based! They want you to clean up your debts first, well you would not go bankrupt if you could no? And if you look at the remaining conditions for the so called second chance they are impossible to achieve. https://sst…

Living in EU so I am biased but I agree with this. You have to clean your debt or real people suffer.

Here is a real example: open a company, buy a small piece of land, section it in smaller pieces, promise you build houses, get people downpayments in cash, syphon all money to other companies with having contracts just a bit bigger than average market price, declare bankruptcy, then start again. You of course have smaller stakes in those other companies.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by gls2ro »

Whenever there is a discussion about EU there are very similar arguments against EU: - Too much birocracy - Too many taxes - Too much regulation that protects workers

And I have to remind myself that people writing this are having a bias: they believe that in a system with few taxes (so less public health care, public eduction, less support for unemployment ...) they are on top, they are the ones with money, they are the ones that win the game.

But when they are without money and in a precarious situation they too might vote an extremist that will promise to distribute wealth via the state => more taxes. You have a real example happening these years in a country that proudly promote itself as the best one in the world: low taxes, no healthcare, no free education, little regulations - the most amazing place to start a business.

I am not saying everybody is like this, but it is very important to question yourself about where are you seeing yourself: as the one on top winning from the system or the one that has some needs. And second question: how many people will be on one side or the other?

Regarding birocracy: this comes exactly from the fact that EU is not a federation so each state needs to have their voice heard and so a lot of regulations/law are complex => more birocracy.

Of course EU has a lot of things to improve and a lot of regulations to rewrite and can and should do more for business. But let's not put those two in an antagonist system: you can support businesses while not punishing the people, the consumers, the users and the labor market.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by dgellow »

includenotfound wrote: post #92
dgellow wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have billionaires too in the EU, they obviously aren’t chased by politicians… wtf are you talking about

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/10/super-rich-aba... The rest who are not chased are usually deeply intertwined with politicians, and are running corruption schemes along them. I'm not one to hate rich people (I'm a capitalist myself), but if any billionaires are to be looked at with skepticism, it's EU billionaires with significant political ties.

Norway isn’t in the EU. A wealth tax isn’t „chasing billionaires“. It’s a local political issue…

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by KetoManx64 »

tzs wrote: post #88
sajithdilshan wrote: post #71

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Yes, the time to take action has been 10 years ago. In order to catch up with US and China, EU would have to accelerate assuming US and China would stagnate(which is not the case). At current rate EU would always be catching up. I would love to hear if you can think of any plan on how EU can overtake US and China on AI advancement

Aren't you assuming that current approaches to AI won't plateau? There's only so far you can push things before you need breakthroughs that give new approaches and when that happens it is often a new playing field.

Motors and cars in general have plateud for decades now, yet I don't see any new car manufacturers springing up in the EU.
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