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Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by inigyou »

carlosjobim wrote: post #84
aranelsurion wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen What benefits? I don't know every country in the world, in Germany unless you count retirement as a benefit (which is something you pay for and have to reach a certain age that is ever moving upwards) you don't get any assistance if you're not living in the country.

When was the last time you were called to personally appear and report to the German government, so that they could verify that you are in the country, and not somewhere else? Benefits aren't collected in cash, they are sent to bank accounts. The beneficiary can be anywhere.

Germany has address registration, you have to unregister if you leave the country for more than 3 months and having it inaccurate is a crime.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by gaiagraphia »

Milpotel wrote: post #25
gaiagraphia wrote: post #21

Here's the actual graph/data in question. The article is a dense academic snooooooozefest: https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/ Ffs, trying to click on a country and the globe keeps rotating, hahah. When i click on nations, it doesn't tell me the numbers either, there's just these blobby lines :/ Not very usable.

Options -> change projection helps a little bit.

Thank you :)

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by OutOfHere »

bcjdjsndon wrote: post #52
rnoises wrote: post #40

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Eh? Persians gave the name "Hindus" to the people living in that area. But they had their own religion, Zoroastrianism. They didn't bring Hinduism because they didn't have Hinduism.

Indians called it hinduism, but it came from iran.

It was then the shared pre-Zorastrian Indo-Aryan Vedic religion.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by OutOfHere »

rnoises wrote: post #40
bcjdjsndon wrote: post #26

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> Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians? Persians brought Hinduism to India, so maybe they're returning the favour

Eh? Persians gave the name "Hindus" to the people living in that area. But they had their own religion, Zoroastrianism. They didn't bring Hinduism because they didn't have Hinduism.

Uh. Zoroastrianism was a "reform" of Iran's Indo-Aryan religion that was closer to Vedic Hinduism.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by netsharc »

carlosjobim wrote: post #84
aranelsurion wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen What benefits? I don't know every country in the world, in Germany unless you count retirement as a benefit (which is something you pay for and have to reach a certain age that is ever moving upwards) you don't get any assistance if you're not living in the country.

When was the last time you were called to personally appear and report to the German government, so that they could verify that you are in the country, and not somewhere else? Benefits aren't collected in cash, they are sent to bank accounts. The beneficiary can be anywhere.

And if they're suspicious, they can ask to check your passport for exit stamps, or receipts from your local supermarket, restaurant, bar, etc... Oh you pay cash and don't get receipts, let's see what the bank statement says which ATMs you withdraw your money from...

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by carlosjobim »

inigyou wrote: post #91
carlosjobim wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was the last time you were called to personally appear and report to the German government, so that they could verify that you are in the country, and not somewhere else? Benefits aren't collected in cash, they are sent to bank accounts. The beneficiary can be anywhere.

Germany has address registration, you have to unregister if you leave the country for more than 3 months and having it inaccurate is a crime.

Oh, in Germany it is illegal to break the law? Good to know!

When were you last summoned, or visited at your adress by government officials to verify that you are where you said you'd be?

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by carlosjobim »

inigyou wrote: post #90
carlosjobim wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to pay taxes nor social security for 20+ years in order to become a citizen in very many countries. You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen. Usually the requirement is that you are a resident for a set number of years in order to become a citizen.

Most countries have contribution-tested benefits if not means-tested. You definitely can't fast-track citizenship and then start receiving benefits and fuck off.

Who's talking about fast tracking? It takes the time it takes. But once you are a citizen, receiving benefits requires much less. You can still receive a lot of benefits without being a citizen. You even have the right to receive benefits as an illegal alien. This in many European countries. And those of you who are typing replies before reading the entire comment, go and check the immigration authority websites of your own country first.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by pjc50 »

inigyou wrote: post #73
carlosjobim wrote: post #62

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Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.

What country pays out benefits to non-residents?

The UK will pay state pension if you live abroad: https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-if-you-retire-abroad

.. which is a contribution based benefit. There's a lot of (deliberate) confusion between pensions and "welfare" benefits, which are generally not available to either immigrants who have not achieved nationality or to overseas nationals.

People should cite more specific examples if they want to claim otherwise.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by bcjdjsndon »

OutOfHere wrote: post #93
bcjdjsndon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indians called it hinduism, but it came from iran.

It was then the shared pre-Zorastrian Indo-Aryan Vedic religion.

They're not sure on the name of it though it was likely they had a theme song that sounded familiar to Hanson's mmmbop

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by t-3 »

nemo44x wrote: post #83
t-3 wrote: post #81

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More people creates more economic activity and higher productivity, which is deflationary. Fewer people lowers productivity and depresses economic activity, causing inflation. You have it backwards - the real economy is not a closed system with fixed amounts of positions and finite money needing zero sum thinking.

And it’s a good thing all that wealth is evenly distributed and not hoarded nearly exclusively by a small class of families. I can assure you mass immigration is not good for the working class families of this country despite what an economist might say in aggregate. The reality is more people drives up the costs of food, shelter, medicine, and other resources that are not very elastic. Don’t overthink it.

> The reality is more people drives up the costs of food, shelter, medicine, and other resources that are not very elastic.

This claim is contrary to all common sense. When stores sell lots of certain products, they order more and run sales to attract more customers, they don't raise prices. The supply shocks with eggs and inflation of food prices were driven by disease, war and the opportunism of monopolistic agricultural industries, not because people are buying too much food. Outside of cities, where housing development is usually a political/legal zoning issue, houses are expensive because they've become assets and investments rather than places to live. Apartments are also increasingly monopolized by national and multinational corporations. Housing prices are linked to the population density, but most of the inflation in prices is driven by other factors. There's more than enough housing and space to build housing. Artificial scarcity won't go away by deporting a few people. Some brand name medicines are certainly subject to supply and demand, but I highly doubt immigrants are having a large influence on prices.

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