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Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by duskdozer »

knollimar wrote: post #82
antran22 wrote: post #80

Good grief, hopefully in v28 Lemay will also throw away the absolute crap that is Liquid glass. Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl. Liquid glass should be taught in design school as an example of what not to do when you design UX. And also in business school as a case of how middle management can fudge up something tha…

Did they not learn from windows aero? Or are they comprised of pure hubris that they thought they could make it work

There's a constant "need" to churn UI revamps, so I guess eventually you run out of ideas before cycling around.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by GaryBluto »

knollimar wrote: post #82
antran22 wrote: post #80

Good grief, hopefully in v28 Lemay will also throw away the absolute crap that is Liquid glass. Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl. Liquid glass should be taught in design school as an example of what not to do when you design UX. And also in business school as a case of how middle management can fudge up something tha…

Did they not learn from windows aero? Or are they comprised of pure hubris that they thought they could make it work

Windows Aero did work, or at least the Windows 7 incarnation of it.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by akamaka »

antran22 wrote: post #80

Good grief, hopefully in v28 Lemay will also throw away the absolute crap that is Liquid glass. Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl. Liquid glass should be taught in design school as an example of what not to do when you design UX. And also in business school as a case of how middle management can fudge up something tha…

My iPhone 13 performs better since the Liquid Glass update. Animations seem to have been optimized and are much smoother. I also replaced the battery last year, so it might be worth checking if you are getting degraded performance due to a old battery.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by michelb »

antran22 wrote: post #67
michelb wrote: post #23

A good correction. But think about the months of work that has been wasted on creating those icon iterations. What a waste!

that's just sunk cost fallacy. The icons are also publicly available and can be used on projects conforming to the Apple branding, so it's not truly a waste. https://developer.apple.com/sf-symbols/

That is true.

I thought this was funny to see as well, although these icons redesigns happen with every MacOS release I think: https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/macos-golden-gate-i...

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by mkl »

foo12bar wrote: post #41

Sometimes who can't be bothered to make the text on their website not extremely tiny when viewing on mobile shouldn't be writing multi-page rants on the other people's UI.

Just double tap the text you want to zoom to, as has been the way for nearly 20 years.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by michelb »

antran22 wrote: post #80

Good grief, hopefully in v28 Lemay will also throw away the absolute crap that is Liquid glass. Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl. Liquid glass should be taught in design school as an example of what not to do when you design UX. And also in business school as a case of how middle management can fudge up something tha…

Steve Lemay was a driving supporter of liquid glass, just like at least 2 other remaining designers at Apple. It's not going anywhere. Hopefully it will get toned down several times over though.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by michelb »

talkingtab wrote: post #29

"it’s proof that the rot has been rooted out of Apple’s software design team" I know little about Apple, but have quite a bit of experience with how software products get "designed". Goofy and offensive things happen when corporations decide not to pay attention to customers. The decision to ignore customer and focus on market wow is not the software design team. It is a systemic and structural thing.

"it’s proof that the rot has been rooted out of Apple’s software design team"

Weird sentence given that three staunch supporters of liquid glass are still in that team, including Lemay. I highly doubt it's going anywhere, hopefully it gets a few more improvements before it will be replaced for The New Thing in MacOS 29.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by js2 »

antran22 wrote: post #80

Good grief, hopefully in v28 Lemay will also throw away the absolute crap that is Liquid glass. Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl. Liquid glass should be taught in design school as an example of what not to do when you design UX. And also in business school as a case of how middle management can fudge up something tha…

> Aesthetically it looks horrible, it slows my iPhone 13 — which never before lagged in all its life since iOS 15 – to a maddening crawl

I have an iPhone 13 mini and have not experienced this.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by IshKebab »

The second piece of advice there is still wrong though. They still want all icons or no icons for visual consistency, just on a smaller scale.

Visual consistency like this is bad because it removes distinct features (like the presence or lack of an icon) that make it easier to find things.

Google's icons are visually consistent: https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/jie6b7/for_opening_...

Outsourcing their UX design to the internet badly...

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Post by knollimar »

GaryBluto wrote: post #92
knollimar wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they not learn from windows aero? Or are they comprised of pure hubris that they thought they could make it work

Windows Aero did work, or at least the Windows 7 incarnation of it.

Wasn't it a bastardized watered down version that cached the elements behind it and still gave a performance hit?

They seem to be running into the same issues and didn't take the learned lessons with them

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