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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by expedition32 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #74
a_vanderbilt wrote: post #61

For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows. I'm not seeing how this won't be a repeat of the OG ARM Surface, just with a higher spec'd GPU.

>For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows Pretty much. I broke down and finally bought my first Windows machine in over a decade to play Subnautica 2. It was so infuriating to use I returned it a week later. You literally have to hack it with shell commands to bypass Microsoft login now. Never again.

How do you use an Apple device without taking part in their ecosystem?

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by Gigachad »

transcriptase wrote: post #84
baggachipz wrote: post #77

"Copilot, write me a drivel article which could have been a 3-line press release, but instead use every unnecessary superlative you can conjure. Ignore any possible criticism and pretend this device is the second coming of Computer Christ"

Yeah I feel like I just read an advertisement someone adapted from marketing materials.

Because that’s exactly what it is.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by eigenspace »

I'm surprised they released this thing. Brand perception is probably a lot more important to Nvidia than whatever sales they could get from this thing, and if it's basically just DGX Spark, it's likely to underwhelm.

I've heard there's still a large backlog of both software problems, and hardware problems with the platform. The software problems could be fixed with time, but they'll still give a shitty first impression. I'd have thought Nvidia would just bury this and try again with a successor run of silicon with a new design.

This thing seems practically destined to just be a repeat of the Snapdragon laptop debacle.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by sceptic123 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #79

I'm pretty happy to see someone else making a serious play in the ultra-premium notebook market. For way too long Apple has basically only been in competition with the much heavier "desktop replacement"/gaming laptops, or the flimsy/plasticky likes of Dell and LG with questionable trackpads. Real competition in this space could be a great thing for consumers

But they pretty much just copied the MBP (and added USB-A)

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by Schiendelman »

expedition32 wrote: post #91
ramesh31 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows Pretty much. I broke down and finally bought my first Windows machine in over a decade to play Subnautica 2. It was so infuriating to use I returned it a week later. You literally have to hack it with shell commands to bypass Microsoft login now. Never again.

How do you use an Apple device without taking part in their ecosystem?

Their ecosystem is, frankly, much better. I won't bother with Windows but I certainly don't mind icloud.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by noir_lord »

basisword wrote: post #68

It's not a rival. It could be the greatest computer ever made and I'm still not using Windows.

At this point I don't know what the performance delta would need to be between "fastest I can get that lets me run linux" and "fastest I can get with windows" other than massive.

I genuinely do not want to deal with windows that much.

Fortunately since my computing needs are met by a fast x86/GPU I don't have to make that choice.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by zuhsetaqi »

expedition32 wrote: post #91
ramesh31 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows Pretty much. I broke down and finally bought my first Windows machine in over a decade to play Subnautica 2. It was so infuriating to use I returned it a week later. You literally have to hack it with shell commands to bypass Microsoft login now. Never again.

How do you use an Apple device without taking part in their ecosystem?

You can use a Mac just fine without using any services from Apple.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by trollbridge »

stetrain wrote: post #76
a_vanderbilt wrote: post #61

For many, the appeal of a Mac is that it isn't running Windows. I'm not seeing how this won't be a repeat of the OG ARM Surface, just with a higher spec'd GPU.

ARM Windows laptops are a pretty different scenario now than when the Surface came out. They have pretty seamless x86/64 emulation built in similar to when Apple started their Mac transition to ARM. In contrast the OG ARM Surface didn't run any existing Windows software. Most people could pick up a modern Windows ARM laptop and everything they do would work just fine, just potentially with less heat and longer batter…

I wouldn't call it "seamless"; a lot of Windows applications don't work. An example is some software packages common in the construction industry which want to install all kinds of ancient x86-only thing likes old ODBC drivers. So that wipes out one of the compelling reasons to have a Windows laptop. Quickbooks (Enterprise Desktop) is another example of one; not supported on ARM, although with some hacking you can get it to sort of work.
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