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What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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I couldn't imagine working remote straight out of college. I'm very glad I work remote now though.

Yeah it's awful and the lack of any sympathy from people further along in their career with kids made it even worse. Everyone thinks it's great but I literally developed depression and anxiety from isolation.

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Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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I couldn't imagine working remote straight out of college. I'm very glad I work remote now though.

It's hard to really compare when we(the pre-internet generation) were raised in an offline environment from the start.

At my current job we see "junior" devs with 3 years of GitHub contributions and fully in production personal projects. Those obviously learned through a different path that what most had 20 years ago, but they're definitely not an exception either, and I genuinely think there is an adaptation process that many are missing.

Perhaps everyone can't follow that path. but not everyone could follow the previous one either. We'll probably only know when the dust fully settles.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's awful and the lack of any sympathy from people further along in their career with kids made it even worse. Everyone thinks it's great but I literally developed depression and anxiety from isolation.

Should those other people be made to RTO and spend less time around their kids, to fill in your isolated lifestyle?

Isn't that kind of how society works? i.e. If a senior employee benefitted from having close mentorship and a strong social network when they were a junior, then they may wish to pay it forward by being present and mentoring juniors now that they're a senior.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's awful and the lack of any sympathy from people further along in their career with kids made it even worse. Everyone thinks it's great but I literally developed depression and anxiety from isolation.

Should those other people be made to RTO and spend less time around their kids, to fill in your isolated lifestyle?

Yeah probably, the outlook for their kids ain't looking so great.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

#95

I couldn't imagine working remote straight out of college. I'm very glad I work remote now though.

Yeah it's awful and the lack of any sympathy from people further along in their career with kids made it even worse. Everyone thinks it's great but I literally developed depression and anxiety from isolation.

I feel for your experience. To note, as a field we've long been one of the worst when it comes to depression and mental health (from the top of my head, we're par with teachers ?)

It was brutal before any glimpse of remote work, open offices didn't help in any way.

Some saw remote work as a way out of the quagmire, others like you had it worse.

PS: participation in local communities would benefit both the lonely people and the community.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's awful and the lack of any sympathy from people further along in their career with kids made it even worse. Everyone thinks it's great but I literally developed depression and anxiety from isolation.

Should those other people be made to RTO and spend less time around their kids, to fill in your isolated lifestyle?

Yes.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

#97

In my anecdotal experience in a FAANG, weak junior hiring started during the hiring freezes in mid 2022, and was made worse by the layoff cycles that began soon after. Once you know headcount is going to be extremely tight indefinitely, you want to use your precious few slots to hire someone that can deliver value pretty quickly, rather than take years to coach up. It personally seems hard to connect that to remote w…

And this is why people do studies, because anecdotal evidence is a hypothesis at best.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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AI is not responsible for anything at the moment, except making existing senior developers reasonably more efficient for sleeve of tasks, but not the tasks that take the most time. Saying "we don't need as many staff because AI" is an oft-repeated trope because it sounds like a reasonable excuse to fire people. It's nearly impossible to back up the claim with any measurable method, and investors will look aside on th…

There is plenty of companies already firing people due because of AI, or at least, that's why they proclaim.

There is also plenty of freelance / artistry type people who would of had work before (i.e creating Halloween, mothers day, Easter, etc) promotional material which is now just outsourced to AI. You see some of the biggest companies on Earth posting AI stuff for special event, etc.

Most aren't at the stage of using full AI "art" for advertisements (except maybe Coke) but some of these companies would already have full time artists, which they've bypassed. Their jobs are not forever and eventually will get killed.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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post #6

AI is not responsible for anything at the moment, except making existing senior developers reasonably more efficient for sleeve of tasks, but not the tasks that take the most time. Saying "we don't need as many staff because AI" is an oft-repeated trope because it sounds like a reasonable excuse to fire people. It's nearly impossible to back up the claim with any measurable method, and investors will look aside on th…

AI is absolutely directly responsible. Managers are literally asking whether people need AI credits or interns over summer. Most people are taking credits, and internships are getting cancelled left and right.

Re: What if remote working, not AI, is to blame for weak junior hiring?

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I have found working with remote first natives that the narrowness of their knowledge is also very high. When you work in an office there is a some knowledge transfer happening having lunch with the guy in accounts or the women in the sales team. This non structured learning is missed in remote work.

I disagree, working remotely has required my org to do more in the open internally... so I learn more because I can almost read whatever I want.

Of course if everyone is working remotely via email this isn't going to happen.

I've had the same problem in person too (silos, no one talking) so I think it's more about structure than remote/in-person.

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