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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by pndy »

rootsudo wrote: post #5
monocasa wrote: post #4

Basically why my car is so old it doesn't even have a CAN bus. Roslin: I heard you're one of those people. You're actually afraid of computers. Adama: No, there are many computers on this ship. But they're not networked. Roslin: A computerized network would simply make it faster and easier for the teachers to be able to teach- Adama: Let me explain something to you. Many good men and women lost their lives aboard thi…

Battlestar Galactica. Just finished watching the remake. Spoiler for a 25yr old series: they network them anyway.

They had to calculate jump fast to join the fleet and the only way was to break the taboo - connecting the computers.

Cylons seized the opportunity and despite of the software firewall they managed to periodically disturb this network. In the end all computers were disconnected. IIRC Gaeta later had to wipe drives and install operating systems again, from these fancy octagonal "cds".

Found the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkDyc1TLrQ

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by giantg2 »

drnick1 wrote: post #73
giantg2 wrote: post #8

I yanked the bridge between the rest of the car and the cellular board.

I am surprised this hack is almost never mentioned in "your car is spying on you" articles. Removing the cellular modem is about as important when it comes to privacy as degoogling or disconnecting your "smart" TV from the Internet.

To be fair, many of the newer cars make it more difficult/permanent because they barely built in and not connected via a bridge/wire.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by jasonfarnon »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #76
Gigachad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. You can leave your bike unlocked because if anyone stole it the police would find them and return it since they can track the thief on a network of cameras. But like you say, many things which have been crimes were based on unethical laws. It's easy to two sides this issue, less crime would on a whole be a good thing but some…

China is an ethnically and culturally homogeneous society, with their ethnic minorities being about as different from the Han majority as the Czechs are different from the Slovaks. if China was to experience Western levels of diversity, inclusion, and cultural enrichment, then no amount of surveillance could possibly help prevent crimes, petty and otherwise. just look at the UK.

"then no amount of surveillance could possibly help prevent crimes, petty and otherwise. just look at the UK."

I don't understand your argument. Are you suggesting surveillance cameras are somehow less effective in diverse societies? Are you claiming UK has as effective a surveillance network as China?

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by komali2 »

gnabgib wrote: post #69
komali2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder about the tradeoff between convenience and the various negative externalities. Example: trains are better for the environment than planes. I need to get from Copenhagen to London for a wedding next month. The train schedule is roughly 20 hours long, starts at 6am, several transfers, and something in the range of 250USD. On Skyscanner there's flights from Copenhagen to London essentially every 20 minutes,…

Do you also think about your use of AI in posts? It's such a tradeoff. On the one hand - no one wants to read, on the other no one wants you to submit AI content. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What evidence do you have to support your accusation? Emdash usage? You have an emdash in your post, do you use LLMs?

Go look at my blog. Any LLM use there? I care about writing, I use LLMs to write code but never let it touch my prose, hence why I'm on a no ai webring.

I'm very annoyed by your drive-by accusation.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by jasonfarnon »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #64
Gigachad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. You can leave your bike unlocked because if anyone stole it the police would find them and return it since they can track the thief on a network of cameras. But like you say, many things which have been crimes were based on unethical laws. It's easy to two sides this issue, less crime would on a whole be a good thing but some…

> The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. Petty crime in China was also "essentially solved" before there were cameras anywhere. > You can leave your bike unlocked because if anyone stole it the police would find them and return it since they can track the thief on a network of cameras. Leaving my bike unlocked in Shanghai 10+ years ago, it was stolen about once ev…

"Leaving my bike unlocked in Shanghai 10+ years ago, it was stolen about once every one or two months." Seriously? How many times until you started locking it up?

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by [deleted] »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #51
monocasa wrote: post #4

Basically why my car is so old it doesn't even have a CAN bus. Roslin: I heard you're one of those people. You're actually afraid of computers. Adama: No, there are many computers on this ship. But they're not networked. Roslin: A computerized network would simply make it faster and easier for the teachers to be able to teach- Adama: Let me explain something to you. Many good men and women lost their lives aboard thi…

But they used Floppy disks and data chip thingies for transferring data. If the Cylons were any good they’d have eventually created a self perpetuating virus. Even humans have pulled that off (Stuxnet and Iranian nuclear centrifuges)

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by jandrewrogers »

phantomathkg wrote: post #83

It is fascinating that we still haven’t have a law that forbid the car company from automatically share the data. The car owner is buying a car, using computer to handle complicate hardware I understand, but at what point it make sense to share the data automatically without consent?

I haven’t kept up with it but at least at one point the regulations gave both the automotive manufacturer and national governments rights to the data. What those entities do with the data is up to them. A lot of this was done under the auspices of international treaties. When those regulations were written the sensing capability was much less invasive. This has been in the works internationally since the 1990s.

Most governments don’t collect this data because they lack the technical capacity to do so. The legal frameworks were put in place long before the infrastructure.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road.

There are cameras inside the car as well.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

madanparas wrote: post #18

Hyundai received 61 cents per vehicle from Verisk. Honda received 26 cents. California's $12.75M fine against GM, the largest CCPA penalty ever, is less than the $20M GM made from selling the data.

GM didn't sell anywhere close to half of those cars in California
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