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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by joering2 »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #60
joering2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly to me the fact Canada is "retooling itself" knowing well that this nightmare should be over in less than 3 years, and most likely next President will be a Democrat, but yet they keep retooling, means their strong (reliable?) assumption is that Trump Administration won't leave the office at all, similar to how Putin stayed in power in what arguingly is a Democratic Country.

This is Trump's second term and MAGA views won't disappear 3 years from now. Even if they assume that there will be a peaceful and lawful transition of power, I can see why they may be planning on the assumption that the "instability" (from their point of view) will continue into the future.

I disagree. You literally have one single human being in charge of 3 main branches of government, and multiple smaller agencies. Noone will manage US like Trump does.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by data-ottawa »

joering2 wrote: post #50
kashunstva wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada has historically relied on a relatively stable trading relationship with the U.S. That relationship is a shambles. It remains to be seen how Canada retools itself; I imagine that we will see a blend of on-shoring and new trading sources. So it’s less of an issue of “can’t” and more “hasn’t (yet)”.

Frankly to me the fact Canada is "retooling itself" knowing well that this nightmare should be over in less than 3 years, and most likely next President will be a Democrat, but yet they keep retooling, means their strong (reliable?) assumption is that Trump Administration won't leave the office at all, similar to how Putin stayed in power in what arguingly is a Democratic Country.

The nightmare was supposed to be “over in 3 years” 9 years ago.

The foreseeable future is MAGA candidates with a coin flip odds of winning indefinitely.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by throwaway85825 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #69
lysace wrote: post #66

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> Canada is very unlikely to be invaded Except from the south.

Or, as it turns out, from within. (Looking at you, Danielle Smith). But yes you're right. The only times we've been invaded were from that direction.

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by wat10000 »

jsLavaGoat wrote: post #58
danesparza wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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The American head of state threatened to invade and annex the country, and you boil that down to a sarcastic "America bad"?

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by lysace »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #69
lysace wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Canada is very unlikely to be invaded Except from the south.

Or, as it turns out, from within. (Looking at you, Danielle Smith). But yes you're right. The only times we've been invaded were from that direction.

> But yes you're right. The only times we've been invaded were from that direction.

Looked it up:

4 Times the U.S. Invaded Canada

https://www.mentalfloss.com/history/war/4-times-us-invaded-c...

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by apercu »

steve1977 wrote: post #86
thegrim33 wrote: post #71

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I can only tell you, as someone living in Europe, that there is a strong sentiment against the US at the moment. And this is new, at least in this magnitude. The US is not seen as a reliable partner anymore, but as a bully that sometimes cannot get avoided.

Strong sentiment against the US (government) in the US as well.

I live in a purple state (also a Canadian citizen but that's beside the point).

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by e40 »

Over the last few months we've seen announcements of shifts from US-based supply chains to non-US-supply chains. As an American, I think this is prudent, based on what has happened in the last year and change. The US is no longer a reliable partner and this is what you do when that happens.

100 years from now, the last 15 months will be written about in no uncertain terms: this administration has loaded many footguns and pulled the trigger, over ideologies which are just plain stupid. "America First" indeed. Soft power is power. "Forever" wars are wars we shouldn't be in. Retribution by POTUS acting like a 5 year old is disgusting no matter what party that person came from.

It will take decades to recover from what has and will happen during this administration's run. Let's hope the power they have ends in November 2026 and not Nov 2028.

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Post by wat10000 »

petcat wrote: post #59
mikeyouse wrote: post #54

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> Canada only has to patrol its northern border. At what point on this current trajectory in the US would that change... mostly facetiously, but not entirely..

Canada would only have to patrol its southern Alberta border /s No coincidence that Albertans are sparking up the seceding issue again. When 10% of the population produces nearly 20% of the country's GDP it's a breeding ground for contempt. And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway. I'm sure this US government would love to see an "independent" Alberta.

According to Wikipedia, Alberta accounts for 11.52% of the national population and 15.25% of the GDP. Such injustice.

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Post by jfengel »

thegrim33 wrote: post #71

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It sounds like you've shifted from hardware purchases to immigration there. The US is indeed still a very popular place to emigrate to, though mostly from poor countries, and it's working very hard to limit immigrants from those countries.

You could take illegal immigration as a sign that the US is a very desirable place to be. But Americans don't seem proud of that, and consider it an economic downside.

But TFA is about military hardware, and more generally about dependence on the United States. Are there any good-news stories there, with economic upsides? I think there were some about the UK, but I'm hard pressed to think of more. At most, the stories I hear are about continuing existing relationships, not forming new ones, and seem to be more about not wanting to go through the cost of changing than about feeling positively towards the US.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by jleyank »

jsLavaGoat wrote: post #58
danesparza wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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Erm, they can stay in NATO with the other European members just fine. It's the US that is making noises about leaving. NORAD is another matter, but the US and Canada can each run their own radars - the targets are south of the 49th parallel for the most part.
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