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Ferrari shares fall after launch of first EV as Jony Ive design proves divisive

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Re: Ferrari shares fall after launch of first EV as Jony Ive design proves divisive

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Post by specialist »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #31
ortusdux wrote: post #9

Marques Brownlee toured one recently - "Ferrari Luce is the Most Controversial Ferrari Ever" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Reu1WS3BhM

Thanks for the link. Totally seeing the appeal of this car. The UX seems actually very good (based on this short review so far). Good use of physical tactile controls + flexibility of a screen. As to external looks. Whenever I see old ICE sports cars (all those lotuses, ferraris, lamborghinis) they seem so awkward and out of place on city streets. They just scream midlife crisis. I think this will be an upgrade in th…

Its UI looks amazing. Of course, I have no clue about its IRL UX.

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Post by joleyj »

apparent wrote: post #85
beAbU wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posit that a mouse that needs to be on its back to be charged, thus rendering it completely useless during that time, to be much much much worse than a round mouse with no immediate indication which way is forward...

I heard they didn't want it to be functional while charging because then people would use it plugged in all the time. They wanted it to be clear that it takes a little time to charge, then you use it unplugged. Might make more sense if there were battery level LEDs on the top or something. But it's just a couple reminders and then bang it's dead.

Can’t let people use it the way they want to now can we? They gotta use it the way I want them That’s the kind of attitude that gets you laptops with no ports and keyboards that don’t work.

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Post by DangitBobby »

UebVar wrote: post #80
mysterydip wrote: post #64

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Ironically, I think your question is the reason it’s not done more often, or at least some brands make “very obvious” EV’s: because for some customers, they want people to know they’re different (and memorable) from the ICE vehicles.

I think this is a meme in marketing departments, but not actually true. For the longest time ICE car makers build cars that screamed "electric". They mostly where behind expectations. At that time the by far most successful EV brand was Tesla with the USP that their cars looked like cars, while the EV from the competition looked like video game asserts; the BMW EVs from that time where among the most ugly cars i have…

My cynical take for US auto manufacturers is they don't really want these cars to be successful.

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Post by Klonoar »

cbdevidal wrote: post #14

What prevents car manufacturers from taking a normal-looking body style and electrifying it? Seems popular with the aftermarket mods. Every hybrid and EV I can think of looks like a suppository. Edit: I asked AI the same question and it reminded me that BMW’s i4, Camry Hybrid, Porsche Taycan, Ferrari 296 GTB (hybrid), Corvette E-Ray, F150 Lightning, and Genesis Electrified G80 all look fairly similar to standard ICE…

Amusingly, the eGolf that VW had to build as a compliance car is one of the better choices for “just give me a fucking car that’s an EV”.

It’s literally the MK7 Golf R, but with AWD removed and a battery instead of an engine. Physical interior throughout with CarPlay/AA, all aftermarket parts for the MK7 work with it. Drives like a go-kart on the streets.

Super fun as a second or third grocery getter if you can find one in good condition and with the right option sets.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cbdevidal wrote: post #14

What prevents car manufacturers from taking a normal-looking body style and electrifying it? Seems popular with the aftermarket mods. Every hybrid and EV I can think of looks like a suppository. Edit: I asked AI the same question and it reminded me that BMW’s i4, Camry Hybrid, Porsche Taycan, Ferrari 296 GTB (hybrid), Corvette E-Ray, F150 Lightning, and Genesis Electrified G80 all look fairly similar to standard ICE…

I have an i4 and its definitely a "conventional car body retrofitted with a battery" design. You can tell by how much leg space rear passengers have. It isn't bad though.

I definitely don't mind the new i3 (or even the old one), which are pure electric designs.

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Post by Klonoar »

Havoc wrote: post #13

There is some chat as to why it looks like that shape below [0]. In short no engine space constraint & aiming for efficiency rather than downforce. https://youtu.be/K-o0r2zSgCE?t=2162

This is the weird thing tho.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is looking at owning a Ferrari for “efficiency”. They are similar to Porsche where you’re looking for a driving feel, or for the badge.

Ferrari releasing this feels like saying “our ethos does not matter”. This thing should’ve been a sports car through and through, efficiency be damned.

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Post by redwall_hp »

gopalv wrote: post #39
e40 wrote: post #15

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And a lot of people think he ruined at least some Apple products (too-thin laptops).

> he ruined at least some Apple products In my small circle of car friends, the new Ferrari is being called the "Magic mouse" of ferraris and posting memes of the car upside down with the cable plugged in at the bottom. I was hoping for an SF90 meets Nevera when they were talking about it originally :( But that is entirely unoriginal and derivative, compared to a designer wanting to make a mark.

It's the Nissan Leaf 2026 Pro

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf.html

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Post by dcrazy »

hyperhello wrote: post #89
badc0ffee wrote: post #86

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I had some Skullcandy bluetooth headphones I liked, and when the foam started to go, I bought the new model of the same product. The new ones instantly disconnect when charging, so you can't listen with them wired to a charger/power bank. Why???

I got a power bank that won’t give power and charge simultaneously either. Hated it.

I wonder if these are safety modifications. Batteries get hot when you charge them, which is uncomfortable in and of itself, but the added source of both thermal and electrical energy while under load might make thermal runaway situations more dangerous.
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