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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by _heimdall »

grey-area wrote: post #89
_heimdall wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatever AGI is, it "AGI" is not glueing a load of text prediction machines together. K don't think it would be that simple either, but for now we simply don't know. I would like to think that what I consider my intelligence will always be distinguishable from a cleverly built harness wrapped around text prediction, but I can't say for sure that's guaranteed.

Yes we do know. We’ve fully explored the possibilities of LLMs and they are nowhere. The latest efforts like agents are clearly showing the limitations and are nowhere near AGI. We’ve now reached the buzzwords and bullshit stage of the bubble where they cast around for problems shaped like the solution.

Oh this bubble started in the buzzword and bullshit stage, no argument there. I'm just not sure how you can be so certain LLMs will have no place if a system we'd consider AGI, most inventions do require a long list of failures and tweaks before it finally works.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by gottorf »

pessimizer wrote: post #84
bix6 wrote: post #75

I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

Nonprofit doesn't mean anything, since people can just route the profits into salaries. It's just another legacy regulation that may have once once had a societally-constructive purpose that wealthy people just use as one of the array of financial tools to help implement their latest scams. IMO, here are no legitimate nonprofits. Western countries have been utterly strangled by nonprofits. Governments fund them with…

> Western countries have been utterly strangled by nonprofits

To expand, there are two major problems with nonprofits in Western nations these days:

1. Governments use them as a way to do things that they themselves are not allowed to do ("it's private charities that do this!", ignoring the fact that the charities get >90% of their revenue from government grants)

2. Like you mentioned, the government grants to nonprofit back to politicians' campaign funds pipeline. Utterly egregious.

> Obama even expanded the rules in the US to allow the government to unconstitutionally fund religious groups to accomplish functions that belong in government

I wasn't aware of this being a big concern; more the other way around, like in my point 1.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by rvz »

bix6 wrote: post #75

I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

This case was the first of its kind and it was never tested if OpenAI breached their charitable mission and the case was dismissed due to the statute of limitations.

Other than researchers, nobody from big tech would ever see themselves wanting to work at a charity / non-profit. The moment the VCs came into the picture then all the grifters poured in and AGI meant IPO.

> You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

Maybe that diary was made out of teflon.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by codechicago277 »

fragmede wrote: post #42
exfalso wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. What the hell would you do with 1B? Give it to charities maybe. Maybe set up an investment where dividends are paid to charity. Running out of ideas

You've run out of ideas already? Try harder! What charities? Why? How much, to which ones? How involved with those charities are you going to be? What dent in history are you going to make with that billion? With or without your name attached. Build housing, cure cancer, feed the hungry, buy this simulator https://www.1940airterminal.org/news/liquidation-of-simulato...

Completely missing the other costs associated with any of these things. If money was enough to “feed the hungry” Musk or Gates would have already done it. The real problem is systemic injustice, like governments stealing foreign aid that’s meant to go to the poor. Money can’t always solve these.

Time is more valuable than money and unless you have tons of time and space that simulator is just an expensive paperweight.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

throwaway_2494 wrote: post #34

I remember when computer magazines were aimed at programmers and had code listings in them. Then there seemed to come a time when all they talked about was the IBM vs. Microsoft lawsuit. From then on they must have felt that they had discovered a formula, because all they ever yapped about after was insider baseball of computer companies. I find this sort of corp. vs. corp. coverage boring, sort of like techie realit…

I dunno man, there are two "tech" industry worlds and the one you and I -- hacker types -- think of as "tech" is not what the rest of the world means. They mean the other one, which has almost nothing to do with the actual technology and instead everything to do with the absolutely apeshit amount of money, power, influence and intrigue that the technology enabled.

This was a very large apeshit $$ amount back in IBM vs Microsoft but the scale of it now in the era of e.g. OpenAI etc is beyond imagination.

There's a whole generation of people whose association with the engineering/technology side of things only happened because of their interest in the other side of things.

I too miss old Byte magazine days.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by paradox460 »

throwaway_2494 wrote: post #34

I remember when computer magazines were aimed at programmers and had code listings in them. Then there seemed to come a time when all they talked about was the IBM vs. Microsoft lawsuit. From then on they must have felt that they had discovered a formula, because all they ever yapped about after was insider baseball of computer companies. I find this sort of corp. vs. corp. coverage boring, sort of like techie realit…

I remember when wired changed editors. After Chris Anderson left it became "gq but we talk about iPhones"

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by Gud »

siliconc0w wrote: post #80
bix6 wrote: post #75

I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

Most startups don't actually make profits and nonprofits can't give equity so it's not really a favorable structure.

It’s a favourable structure in many cases.

Not everything is a business.

OpenAI wasn’t, until it was.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by outside1234 »

bix6 wrote: post #75

I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

It should not surprise you to learn that Greg Brockman is a Trumper and major donor.

It should also not surprise you that the Epstein files have not been released.

Everything is possible and not possible in a corrupted system.

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