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Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by tliltocatl »

petterroea wrote: post #87
akarambir wrote: post #2

The official replies are addressing questions that nobody has asked. The main issue is why Linux support is being removed from the Basic tier while Windows is still allowed. To grow the ecosystem, AMD needs more people working on their hardware. Restricting Linux will only alienates students, hobbyists, and devs who want to adopt AMD tech. - From long term AMD user

One would've thought they had learned from their supposed driver superiority over Nvidia due to embracing Linux users with OSS drivers

I guess FPGA division (nee Xilinx, which was always a bit sketchy, even if they had best silicon) doesn't learn much from the GPU division.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by izacus »

pyrale wrote: post #61
izacus wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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More like the notion of seeing different treatment between OSes. No one likes being punished for a choice that shouldn't be any of the selling party's business. That's especially true in the Linux community, which was the target of Microsoft's anticompetitive policies for decades. That's just like when macOS users got mad when they learned they were targeted by marketing schemes to sell them more expensive stuff [1].…

Maintaining software on Linux just takes more time and effort - due to less stability and number of distros.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by arccy »

charcircuit wrote: post #45
jwrallie wrote: post #11

I’m working in education and will change to other vendors in the near future. That means all my students will do so as well. Windows cannot provide feature parity for workloads that require cross compiling, AMD could at least support RHEL like the old days.

Have you tried docker or WSL2. Modern virtualization should make it possible to seamlessly run Linux while in Windows.

nobody should support MicroSlop

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by gilrain »

jmull wrote: post #86
mort96 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The official replies started off by addressing ... the "unacceptable abusive behavior towards AMD". The most important thing here is obviously to ask people not to use such hurtful words as "disgraceful" towards poor little AMD... Answering the actual question seems not a high priority

I don't know anything about this situation, but basic logic says if you want someone to give you free stuff, be nice to them. It wouldn't surprise me if AMD is scaling back their free offerings due to the impact on support.

> It wouldn't surprise me if AMD is scaling back their free offerings due to the impact on support.

They’re welcome to hamstring themselves in the market; it’s just not a smart move.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by cfinnberg »

DoctorOW wrote: post #66
akarambir wrote: post #2

The official replies are addressing questions that nobody has asked. The main issue is why Linux support is being removed from the Basic tier while Windows is still allowed. To grow the ecosystem, AMD needs more people working on their hardware. Restricting Linux will only alienates students, hobbyists, and devs who want to adopt AMD tech. - From long term AMD user

> For your specific question: Why is Linux not supported in the BASIC tier? > This is AMD's marketing decision. > Kind Regards, > Anatoli Curran, > Xilinx/AMD Forum Moderator I mean, nobody in that forum necessarily knows why. It just came from above.

I think many haven't read that part, as it is hidden by default and one have to expand the answer to see it. At least that was what happened to me... I didn't noticed it until you pointed it out.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by croes »

rvz wrote: post #36
einrealist wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maintaining support for Windows is free?

"free" as in what? Time? There is always someone paying. Linux should be no different.

> why I can use BASIC tier for simple, entry-level nodes on Windows, but not on Linux.

That’s exactly what people are asking for. Why do Linux users have to pay and Windows users don’t.

Re: Why is Vivado 2026.1 dropping Linux support for free tier?

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Post by kevmo314 »

ginko wrote: post #62
kevmo314 wrote: post #7

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The difficult part is the place and route algorithm, not the bitstream. The proprietary ones already take quite a long time to solve: I regularly have 12-24h runs. Perhaps an open source one could do better? But it's not quite as straightforward as reverse engineering a proprietary bitstream.

I have to admit that I haven't looked too closely into this but my understanding is that place & route is essentially an NP hard optimization problem. Would it be possible to translate this into a SAT problem and solve it with a state of the art SAT solver?

It's surely possible but if it's, for example, 10% slower, that easily eats into execution time and that directly translates into a sense of "maybe it's just worth it to pay the license fee for this year" after just a few 20h place and route runs.

Of course, if it were faster, that would be a huge win for the open source implementation.

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