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BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by hack1312 »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #36
parker-3461 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious about this as well. Hypothetically, if they are really trying to extract insight, they could be: - Industrial trend pattern: even if only people accidentally leave the Cloud Feature on initially, there could be some that slip through. It could be product categories way before the public knows about it. - Defence and aerospace: obviously less likely, but if people use Strava in odd locations, and people…

In general, the PRC government will install local politically connected members into advisor roles in almost all large companies. It is something a lot of businesses simply have no control over in that country, or in the US for that matter. The locked ecosystem posture is simply because with a billion people a firm of any size always has irrational competitors/cloners. Sometimes the governments national policy aligns…

China is not a communist country. They’re an example of state-capitalism.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

Renaud wrote: post #24
dsign wrote: post #15

I can't help but wonder how could, Bambulabs or the Chinese government, actually mine that data? In my mind, 3D models fail into two categories: artistic and utilitarian, though there's a continuum between those two. With the artistic side, the Chinese government could find itself in possession of tons and tons of Western miniatures. With the utilitarian side, they will find themselves in possession of lots and lots…

Not everything that a Chinese company does is for nefarious reason or under the hidden agenda of the Chinese government. The reality is much more mundane: many Chinese companies do not understand the expectations around open source. There isn’t anything really equivalent in China. The closest mindset is that things that are available to use, are available to take. The notion of copyright -while not inexistent- is not…

I'm not sure it's so innocent. Bambu labs is a major company that hires grads out of top US schools. I'm pretty sure they have lots of people there who understand the concept of open source, including the license requirements, and who would have been raising these questions internally.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by belorn »

doginasuit wrote: post #21

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> People have a strong instinct for reciprocity and it is strongest when it is entirely their choice.

My experience disagree with that statement. The places where I find the strongest form of reciprocity is when social norms heavily emphasize reciprocity and punish defectors, which is typical in environments where peoples survivability depend on social norms and reciprocity.

A typical example is rural community vs a city. In a rural community there is existing and historical dependency on reciprocity to handle accidents (a barn burning down, a poor harvest, a bad hunt/fishing season, and so on). Defectors from the social norms can be punished for several generations ("I remember that your grandfather did not help my grandfather"), which makes defecting rare and expensive. The stereotypical example from large cities is that a person can bleed out on the street and people will continue to walk past, pretending to not see.

Naturally neither is an utopia and both has their own problem, but saying that the strongest form of reciprocity is found in places with no social norms, social expectations or enforcement seems to be plainly wrong from my experience.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by milofeynman »

jonas_jensen wrote: post #47

Can I just say: thank you for posting an xcancel link and not linking to X directly! I forgot Xcancel was a thing, I might actually start using it occasionally now.

There is an open source web browser proxy thing called finicky [0]. I use at work that lets me redirect urls clicked in other apps like slack to specific browers (firefox / chrome) or even specific chrome profiles. It'll also allow you to rewrite the urls.

[0] https://github.com/johnste/finicky

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #50
tjoff wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, just maybe, buy a printer that does not actively disrespect their users?

I guess it depends on what you value more highly, a machine from a company that respects intellectual property, or a machine that reliably prints parts without intervention.

Prusas are plenty reliable without intervention

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by qwerpy »

kennywinker wrote: post #74
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #72

I don't like all this shaming on social media. It feels performative and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If they're in violation of your copyright agreements, sue them. If you can't sue them because it's unenforceable, well, that sucks, but too bad. I don't know what they expect to happen here. Is there even a clear call to action? Boycott? Do something .

> Back then we considered legal action. We seriously did. But the practical reality: PrusaSlicer is software, not hardware. There's no boxed product crossing customs to stop - only real possibility which would make them comply. And jurisdiction for the licensee lands in China, which means the case lands in a Chinese court applying Chinese law to a Chinese company. If there is no legal recourse, but you believe in the…

I agree with the issue at stake but I’ve seen in practice where it can lead when people attach their morals to other people’s purchasing decisions. First, it’s “don’t buy their stuff”. Then “tell your friends not to buy their stuff”. Then it’s “shame random people who buy their stuff”. Then it’s “vandalize people’s stuff”.

I know no one’s going to go into other peoples houses to break their printers, but the whole social enforcement thing really soured me after what happened with my EVs the past year. Even when I agree with the principle I automatically hate any call to impose opinions on other people’s purchases. Most people will be responsible about it but it will inspire enough unhinged people to tarnish the cause.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by Aurornis »

dsign wrote: post #15

I can't help but wonder how could, Bambulabs or the Chinese government, actually mine that data? In my mind, 3D models fail into two categories: artistic and utilitarian, though there's a continuum between those two. With the artistic side, the Chinese government could find itself in possession of tons and tons of Western miniatures. With the utilitarian side, they will find themselves in possession of lots and lots…

In every Bambu thread lately the assumption is that these battles are about regaining local access, but this whole battle started over trying to get Bambu Network cloud access back into OrcaSlicer.

This is the first three lines of the FULU fork of OrcaSlicer from Louis Rossmann:

> This version of OrcaSlicer restores full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers.

> You are not limited to LAN only.

> It works over the internet just like before, through BambuNetwork, with full functionality for normal use and printing.

Reading the comment sections are confusing because so many people without Bambu printers have assumed the battle is going the other way, with users fighting to not use Bambu’s cloud servers.

Your comment is close to getting to the root of why the arguments are getting weird: The Chinese government isn’t interested in scooping up all of the trinkets being printed. Anyone using a Bambu printer for anything sensitive was already using LAN mode or SD card for printing. The users fighting for this wanted to go back to sending their prints through the cloud for convenience.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by Aurornis »

My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

> There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine.

I think it’s funny how much this battle has been contorted since it started.

This fight started because someone added Bambu Cloud support back into OrcaSlicer because it’s what users wanted.

These are the first 3 lines of Louis Rossman’s fork’s README:

> This version of OrcaSlicer restores full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers.

> You are not limited to LAN only.

> It works over the internet just like before, through BambuNetwork, with full functionality for normal use and printing.

Yet reading all of the comments on HN you would be left with the impression that Bambu was fighting to force everyone to use their cloud service.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by rirze »

Surprise: another day of mechanical engineers not really understanding what open source really means.

I mean this as general advice; never trust software released/written/shared by mechanical/robotics engineers, especially ones from China. There's something deep-seated in their psychology where they ignore coding standards and can't conceptualize and obey software licenses.

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