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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by croon »

mrvmochi wrote: post #84
croon wrote: post #81

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I have kids. A significant part of raising them is showing/teaching them that feelings are natural, but only some outlets for those feelings are acceptable. My kids are younger than high school. Society is built around not destroying everything when you're angry. Hopefully that is easier when you're adult, but it's certainly the norm to expect it from children as well.

What would you do if your child suffered brain damage from an illness or injury and lost the ability to regulate their emotions? And what if the severity of that impairment was right on the borderline—just enough to be penalized by society, but not enough to qualify for any support? I used to be an instructor at a karate dojo, and several parents brought their kids to me, asking me to "do something" about their viole…

> What would you do if your child suffered brain damage from an illness or injury and lost the ability to regulate their emotions? And what if the severity of that impairment was right on the borderline—just enough to be penalized by society, but not enough to qualify for any support?

I would approve of depriving them of the opportunity to hurt others, but keep loving them and supporting them for as long as I live.

The alternative would be covering for them while other kids suffer the consequences. I love my kids over everything else, but I would fail them and hopefully they would feel the same way if I put their enjoyment/freedoms over other peoples suffering. I wish society veered more towards balancing with responsibility and not simply maximizing individual freedoms. We need both.

> You and your children are simply fortunate to possess the cognitive capacity to understand that making deepfakes is wrong.

Possibly, maybe probably, but I've only met one kid like that yet, and his parents who I've interacted with many times definitely inflicted that behavior. But I can't know what I don't know, so I'll defer to your experience.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

CalRobert wrote: post #69
latexr wrote: post #50

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A major problem with a culture of distrust is that bad actors doing bad things get impunity by telling everyone that what they did was fake. It’s already been tried, when deepfakes weren’t even that good. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/27/elon-musk...

Certainly. Funny that we start getting photos from the Epstein files as soon as it's easy to make fakes.

Your comment sounds like you're suggesting that those Epstein files photos are fake. I don't know why you'd want to suggest that unless you're trying to make excuses for paedophile rapists and traffickers and discredit the various people whose lives have been ruined by Epstein and his pals.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

pjc50 wrote: post #76
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #73

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very soon no one will takes these things seriously, And That's A Good Thing. there are, for example, websites that host (among a myriad other such things) style-accurate pictures of every Disney princess being fucked in every way imaginable. 70 years ago something like this might have caused a similar moral panic, but now no one (rightfully) gives a shit. you see a picture of Cinderella with a dick up her ass, you kn…

Cinderella isn't going to complain because she's not a real person. The problem here is making and distributing fakes of specific real people.

Bizarrely, Cinderella probably has better protection/rights than real people do. Disney could easily assign a fleet of lawyers to protect their intellectual property and get websites taken down.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

samlinnfer wrote: post #46
M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

I wonder if this kind of problem happens a lot less in societies that treat public nudity as normal (e.g. nude saunas, topless beaches in European/Scandinavian countries).

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by bigtex »

orwin wrote: post #90
bondarchuk wrote: post #49

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Nevertheless there is almost a moral equivocation between images of sex and actual sex by some people. We are talking about restraining someone physically inside a 2 by 3 meter box for multiple years as a retribution for what is after all just pixels on a screen. (And by the way the implicit comparison here between an image of stalin and an image of a teenage girl is more apt than most would care to admit given the i…

Yeah, 'pixel on a screen'. I will send deepfake video of your daughter (or sister, or mother) having sex to you, let's see how they appreciate it. It's only pixels after all. Or picture of you having sex to your friends, SO and parents, that's probably fine. I don't have sex in front of my friends and family for a reason, and I would appreciate my privacy protected by the state. And yes, privacy breach of this magnit…

Not sure why you are being downvoted would a normal reaction to someone just saying it is a "pixel on a screen"

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by noosphr »

orwin wrote: post #90
bondarchuk wrote: post #49

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Nevertheless there is almost a moral equivocation between images of sex and actual sex by some people. We are talking about restraining someone physically inside a 2 by 3 meter box for multiple years as a retribution for what is after all just pixels on a screen. (And by the way the implicit comparison here between an image of stalin and an image of a teenage girl is more apt than most would care to admit given the i…

Yeah, 'pixel on a screen'. I will send deepfake video of your daughter (or sister, or mother) having sex to you, let's see how they appreciate it. It's only pixels after all. Or picture of you having sex to your friends, SO and parents, that's probably fine. I don't have sex in front of my friends and family for a reason, and I would appreciate my privacy protected by the state. And yes, privacy breach of this magnit…

Go ahead.

It's not like I can stop you from imagining it.

Adding a GPU to the mix does make it any worse given that you already thought about it.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by 627467 »

CalRobert wrote: post #18
eska wrote: post #3

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Don't post innocuous images of children ever? Seems like losing. I do have to say that I find it disturbing how liberally parents seem to post pictures of their children in public though. Respect the privacy of your children, they’re not your pets.

It's nice to see pictures of people. I like when parents share photos of my kids at events where they're having a great time but I couldn't make it. It's nice when the local paper shows a picture of happy graduating 8th graders. Saying "you shouldn't do this thing that was basically harmless from the birth of photography until the ~2010's" is ignoring a lot of history and context.

Broadcasting private photos of children to strangers and corporations was common until 2010s? Were you posting them on classified section on newspapers in 1999?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

Sharlin wrote: post #86
_el1s7 wrote: post #35

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That won't work, a camera can also photograph another screen or a fake printed photo. And also cryptographic modules can be cracked.

Nothing is ever foolproof, but also, public-key crypto signatures are as secure as can be. Sure, you might be able to eventually extract a private key from camera hardware, but that's on the level of intelligence agencies, completely beyond the current situation of deepfakes being possible to make by anyone with an internet connection and no skills.

> that's on the level of intelligence agencies

I think you meant to say: a single eastern European teenager who gets bored one weekend. These systems have been around for decades, and they've continually been hacked for decades too.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by latexr »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #92
CalRobert wrote: post #69

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Certainly. Funny that we start getting photos from the Epstein files as soon as it's easy to make fakes.

Your comment sounds like you're suggesting that those Epstein files photos are fake. I don't know why you'd want to suggest that unless you're trying to make excuses for paedophile rapists and traffickers and discredit the various people whose lives have been ruined by Epstein and his pals.

In the context of the comment they’re replying to, I think they’re saying the opposite: That the photos were released when they could plausibly imply they were fake, thus complying with the mandate while also giving their base the ammunition to discrediting them despite them being factual.
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