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Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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How will they resurrect a dodo? Is the idea that they have some DNA somewhere?

The Wikipedia article suggests they do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo

WE have one leg from one individual, and so egg fragments, should be doable, but not enough diversity

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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Is that a problem?

If you consider factory farming horrific, then yes

Factory farming refers to a wide set of practices that range from loathsome to banal.

I don't see how the use of this technology makes factory farming any worse than it already is. Maybe it saves male chicks from the shredder, making it slightly less loathsome.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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If they are born of woman, they would be human. If they are made, we can re-label them as machines and give them lesser rights. And make ourselves feel better about treating them as lower class by some 'justification', like they don't have souls. Perhaps some gene editing to give them 'blue' skin, some non-historically-biased-color to identify them. Really. There are ton of books with these themes already. I'm not sa…

What is "it", exactly? I have probably read some of the same dystopian science fiction novels as you have. But this is Jurassic Park, not A Brave New World.

In one of the movies, they did clone a human, they just didn't lean into that story line. It was treated as a one-off, but the same science allowed both. (in the fictional story)

The point isn't that we'll have humans tomorrow. Just that this one step. We'll need to solve problems on simpler animals first. An egg is easier than a womb, a chicken is easier than a human. It's the start.

So yes. Brave New World isn't today. But its obvious this technology is on the same path.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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Taking scientific breakthroughs and extrapolating and/or comparing to Science Fiction? Shock, clutch my pearls, who would do such a thing. The absurdity. Surely nobody has done this before.

And they were all about as right as chance!

Sure. If you take all of Science Fiction, if you want, take all of Literature. And compare it to everything that actually has happened. Then Fiction has guessed at more things than have actually happened. So, a poor predictor.

Not sure what that point is proving. We shouldn't look at fiction for any inspiration or cautionary tales? Just shut up and calculate?

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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And they were all about as right as chance!

Sure. If you take all of Science Fiction, if you want, take all of Literature. And compare it to everything that actually has happened. Then Fiction has guessed at more things than have actually happened. So, a poor predictor. Not sure what that point is proving. We shouldn't look at fiction for any inspiration or cautionary tales? Just shut up and calculate?

The point is proving that "chickens now, maybe humans later" is just an extremely poor predictor. It's a useless disapproval of a new technology based on "hey, you can't prove it won't happen!".

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If they are born of woman, they would be human. If they are made, we can re-label them as machines and give them lesser rights. And make ourselves feel better about treating them as lower class by some 'justification', like they don't have souls. Perhaps some gene editing to give them 'blue' skin, some non-historically-biased-color to identify them. Really. There are ton of books with these themes already. I'm not sa…

Gene editing is a whole different topic. And only the very first one would need to be "born of woman". Artificial eggs are basically irrelevant to the dystopia you're describing.

Eggs are simpler than Wombs. Chickens are simpler than Humans. Of course we have to solve the simpler things first. Of course, this is leading along the same path as occurs in Brave New World. We have to be able to grow chickens before we can move on to humans.

We already have cloning. But have lacked being able to do it without implanting the egg into a female. This is just getting us closer.

Baby steps. That the dystopia isn't happening today doesn't mean we aren't working on it.

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To be fair, artificial womb technology would really mess with society.

It could end the abortion issue if fertilized eggs could be moved early enough. Any woman who didn't want a baby could have it transferred to an artificial womb and sign away all rights to/responsibility for it. Any father who wanted their child when the mother didn't could keep it. It could help premature infants too.

Re: Artificial egg hatched 26 healthy chickens

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I've just started listening to the book "Brave new world" (no spoilers please!) and this is literally how the book begins (but with humans) - what could possibly go wrong!

Well, it's just like this except that... oh, you said no spoilers :)
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