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Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by bachmeier »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #56
tekacs wrote: post #25

As they start to release more proprietary models, I so wish that they partnered with one of the major US hyperscalers to allow using these models through something US-domiciled. Totally understand why it may not be reasonable or in their best interest (and that the US is _absolutely_ not doing the same reflexively). But it would be lovely to be able to try these out on production workloads in earnest.

I'm more interested in hearing specific reasons why one wouldn't use a Chinese company. Unless you're thinking Alibaba is going to ship chat logs to some government ministry that will then dole out proprietary information to new competitors (which doesn't seem logistically feasible), or you run a human rights organization, it feels a bit like FUD.

> Unless you're thinking Alibaba is going to ship chat logs to some government ministry

This made me think of a Seinfeld episode: "I didn't know it was possible not to know that."

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by SR2Z »

gmerc wrote: post #76
stickfigure wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's highly improbable that the US government has a secret team inside Anthropic and OpenAI manipulating their training regimen. For better or worse, these companies are filled with ideologues and something that invasive would trigger an army of whistleblowers (despite legal consequences).

Its very hard to be so naive.

I think you are being ridiculous. Tampering with an LLMs pretraining is a difficult undertaking. There is plenty of evidence that training a model to walk the party line leaves it less capable than if it weren't.

It's not very subtle manipulation either; ask qwen of Taiwan is a part of China in German and in English and only the English answer will be party-approved.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by the_lucifer »

drob518 wrote: post #51
chrisweekly wrote: post #37

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Apple store's current options for mac studio seem to max out at 96GB. I'm questioning ROI, esp. given it's not upgradeable. Curious about others' takes on new mac hardware.

Currently, Apple is letting some of its models go out of stock in preparation for new models coming in a few weeks. I would expect at least 128 GB models at that time. That said, the memory crunch is hitting everyone.

Yep, even with their supply chain prowess, they're being hit now given some longer term contracts vis-à-vis their memory are nearing renewals.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by goyozi »

hypercube33 wrote: post #74
beydogan wrote: post #38

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honestly, initial version of Opus-4.6 was much better than whatever we are being served right now as 4.7. If it performs same level to that, i'm totally willing to switch.

4.6 was an awful experience the month I used it right after launch where it didn't ask anything just made assumptions and went on its merry way. 4.5 and 4.7 don't do that for me but 4.7 eats my quota for breakfast so I've been avoiding using it because I like to have it for more than an hour a day.

I feel like I had the best and worst ~month experience on 4.6. Initially when it came out, it seemed to ask good questions and genuinely do well on complex tasks. From about mid-March it was absolutely abysmal, it seemed to assume the stupidest answer/angle for everything and make weird mistakes. 4.7 seems decent so far but usage hurts - at some point my company switched me to standard seat and I used up 80% of my session usage in 1 prompt. I got my premium seat back since but I think pro/standard plan + opus 4.7 is unusable for daily driving.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by deaux »

avazhi wrote: post #67
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #39

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As somebody in Europe, uh, that doesn't leave many options.

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> as the rest of the world moves on without a single fuck given.

Hilarious thing to say when half this comment section is Americans giving so much of a fuck that they consider China-adjacent hosted models unusable due to the supposed risks. If what you were saying was true then those pragmatic Americans would just use whatever is most effective.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by SR2Z »

polski-g wrote: post #79
Mashimo wrote: post #36

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> I’m honestly not able to run it What do you mean? This is not self hosted, it's closed source. And any website that targets China or is hosted in China will probably censor Tiananmen Square.

There is no reason why they couldn't license the model to Friendli/Fireworks/etc and have it hosted in the US to alleviate this concern.

The reason is to create domestic demand for Chinese AI chips so they can eventually be free of NVIDIA.

Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

adrianN wrote: post #83
adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #41

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I do hope The U.S. hyperscalers do the same as well. In an ideal world U.S. residents would use Chinese AI models and Chinese residents would use U.S. AI models. Governments in both countries are collecting data for nefarious reasons. But the Chinese government has far less influence on a U.S. resident and vice versa. We are all better off if our data is collected by a government halfway across the world instead of o…

In an ideal world everybody runs open models on hardware they control.

I'm running Qwen 3.6 via https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-FP8 and it's pretty great. I'll update to the 3.7 equivalent when that's ready.

It's not nearly worth it to me to get an incremental improvement in performance if it means I have to move to hosted environments with Qwen 3.7 (or Claude or Gemini or whatever).

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