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The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

gensym wrote: post #66
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there room for people who are already in the acceptance phase? We started aggressively adopting AI in my company this year. I think I disliked (though never hated) it for a few days, but it’s a systemic change that I can’t just push back against. I don’t believe that strong public opinion can stop technological development either—just take nuclear for example. I think that the concerns underlying the outrage are r…

> We started aggressively adopting AI in my company this year. I think I disliked (though never hated) it for a few days, but it’s a systemic change that I can’t just push back against. I'm right there with you. I think AI will be bad as a whole for the world, but I use it for work every day and am pushing my team to use it more. I think it's a really effective tool for my company even if it's going to be bad for the…

I don't think AI is going to be as easy to give up on as nuclear. Nuclear has some long term/diffuse benefits, but in the short run it's just one among many types of electricity generation. AI is a whole category, not one substitutable member of an already common category. Us giving up on AI development would be more like giving up on electricity generation than like giving up on nuclear.

Human cloning is a solution with no corresponding problem. We can make more humans very easily, if we have someone willing to bear those humans and take care of them.

If AI becomes demonstrably useful, opting out will be incredibly challenging, since we cannot force other countries to disarm.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by userbinator »

soundworlds wrote: post #59

1. So AI companies royally screwed over artists and other culture workers. 2. Culture workers are a big part of who sets the narrative for the general population - especially young people. 3. Less than 1/5 of Gen Z are optimistic about AI and the number is falling: ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/708224/gen-adoption-steady-skep... ) The current wave of AI companies did this to themselves. Had things moved more slowly…

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Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by evmaki »

gensym wrote: post #51

It's funny how easily you can differentiate people in the tech industry who spend all their time with others in the tech industry from those who don't. The former either seem puzzled about the general public's anger at AI or dismissive of it ("they don't really hate it - look at ChatGPT usage!", "they only hate it because they've been misled about water usage!" and so on). Non-techies aren't as stupid as people in th…

The industry has pushed socially disruptive technologies in several waves (mobile phones, algorithmic social media, short-form content) with seemingly no buy-in from the greater public, nor any meaningful consequences for the ills imposed. Many are now looking at our current crop of tech leaders and billionaires and maybe correctly detecting a bit of indifference to the grievances of the masses of normal people who have been forced to live in successively more deteriorated societies shaped by technologies that they've had no voice in shaping.

AI is just the next wave, and the impact is more tangible than ever – it literally takes your job, and it's being pushed on you by enormously wealthy people who don't understand you, your life, and what's important to you. The sad thing is, AI can be beneficial to people if wielded in the right way, but we are in a polarized environment where productive conversations no longer feel possible: you're either an AI bro or a luddite. I think anyone (myself included) who has spent time developing B2C products that incorporate AI quickly discovers just how touchy of a subject this is, and it's due imo to the sins of the accelerationist crowd that never wastes time understanding the needs and perspectives of normal people.

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Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by xscott »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #38
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #8

I'll just keep repeating this: There are three options: 1. AI owned by everyone 2. No AI 3. AI owned by billionaires If you can make the masses fight for 2 instead of 1, then you guarantee that you don't get 1. If instead, the masses fight for 1, they've got a chance of getting it. You present AI as a false dichotomy: no AI or AI for billionaires. But 2 is a fantasy. There will be AI. Any of us arguing for (1) get sh…

4. regulation... well, that's a no go in the US. So what is the 5th option?

I predict it will get regulated in the US, and that it will lead to regulatory capture. Solving absolutely NONE of the problems people complain about while providing NONE of the benefits AI could bring to society.

Re: The American Rebellion Against AI Is Gaining Steam

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Post by threatofrain »

soundworlds wrote: post #59

1. So AI companies royally screwed over artists and other culture workers. 2. Culture workers are a big part of who sets the narrative for the general population - especially young people. 3. Less than 1/5 of Gen Z are optimistic about AI and the number is falling: ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/708224/gen-adoption-steady-skep... ) The current wave of AI companies did this to themselves. Had things moved more slowly…

Had things moved slowly? ML is an international race. Every nation has the prerogative of greed.
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